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Thread: Samson Evolution Rail-First Impressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadbag View Post
    The S cooling slots are a bit of a disappointment in terms of using them for mount-n-slot type things. Looks (just from the pics) like it would be harder to keep things in place (??)
    The inside mounting plate has fins that lock with the fins inside the tube.

    I'd highly suggest emailing or calling Scott Samson and he will gladly answer any questions you have. He's a really pleasant guy to talk to.
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    I really think it is embarassing for them to start adding middle slots down the rails when they haven't been doing it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    I really think it is embarassing for them to start adding middle slots down the rails when they haven't been doing it before.
    Scott,

    Im going to agree there. Why do manufacturers feel the need to add slots on their rail sections?

    Also, weights are listed here:

    http://www.samson-mfg.com/mm5/mercha...olution_Series

    I dont have individual weights for the rail sections as i do not own a postal scale.

    To address some of the other questions. The rifle normally will shotgun open 90 degrees. With the current version of the rail i have the rifle will not open more than 45 degrees. Keep in mind i have a pre production version so take this info with a grain of salt.

    As far as how hot the rifle gets i cant really answer that as i havent taken surface temperatures of the rail material and heat sensitivity is subjective. It doesnt become too uncomfortable to hold but you can feel the heat. This rail is not for someone that wants to do mag dumps or shoot full auto.

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    I have the 11" version and without the rail sections and AR barrel nut (but with the 2-piece clamp that goes over the barrel nut) it weighs 10.8 ounces on a very accurate scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Slot cut down the middle of the add on rails is unacceptable.
    Why is that?

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    Magsz,

    This is a really awesome write-up. Do you have any experience with Troy's offerings? How do you think this compares?

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    Justin,

    I like troys offering but i believe the Samson rail is superior for a few reasons.

    1. I like the simplicity of the Samson install. Im using my stock barrel nut, i had no need or requirement for a torque wrench to install this rail and like i said earlier, absolutely no question or concerns over using sub par materials in a critical component of the operating system, ie the barrel nut. Now, im NOT saying that Troy is using sub par steels but im not a fan of mixing and matching parts.

    2. The rail has a slightly fatter profile than the troy offerings which means the height of the top rail while the same does not have a ledge to it. The outer diameter of the tube, being larger, means that the circular sides of the handguard are closer to the rail intself. For me, this makes it more comfortable and easier to grip when wrapping the hand around the entire tube. The troy is not uncomfortable per say but it is definitely not as comfortable as the Samson unit.

    3. The TRX rail is not that comfortable due to all of the ridges on it. My fingers tend to find their way into the holes which i do not like. The Extreme units are more comfortable for me in this regard. The S shaped slots on the samson unit look weird but are not uncomfortable due to their small size.

    All in all im extremely pleased with this rail for what it offers. I made the switch to a free float rail not because i was looking for some sort of accuracy advantage or cool guy factor but simply because it allows me to pull the rifle into my shoulder without any shifting of the handguards against the delta ring/barrel nut. Zero movement where i grip my rifle means a more stable shooting platform.

    If i were going to war a tubular style handguard is NOT something i would pick. A DD, KAC or Larue, handguard would be placed on the rifle and rail covers would be attached to shield my hand from heat. As a civilian shooter having the option to add a free float, stable forearm to the rifle for under 200 dollars is VERY hard to beat.

    Does anyone want to see any other pictures of anything in particular on the rifle?
    Last edited by Magsz; 01-09-11 at 15:06.

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    Thanks for the detailed reply. From what you said, I think I would probably prefer this rail to the Troy...

    I'll have to give this more consideration for the stainless rig I'm building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss Hogg View Post
    Why is that?
    I'm still waiting for an answer to this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    I'm still waiting for an answer to this question.
    Speaking of rails, what would have been a better option is to have the add-on rails bolt directly into threaded holes in the tube. Those backing plates are a royal pain in the ass, especially if you're putting them in the middle of the tube. This would also get the rail closer to the tube for as slim a profile as possible.

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