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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul24 View Post
    ....I will get a Buffer from FRS and "drive on" with my SR-556. It's a good platform and very accurate.....
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    I think I see what Rob_S means when he says some people ask questions but when the answers start coming in, they put their fingers in their ears and start chanting, "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA...".

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    I think I see what Rob_S means when he says some people ask questions but when the answers start coming in, they put their fingers in their ears and start chanting, "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA...".

    For some people, selling a firearm, especially at a loss, is a hard thing to do.

    So you just deal with it or assign it for a different duty, whatever it may be, and make a better purchasing decision next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post
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    I think I see what Rob_S means when he says some people ask questions but when the answers start coming in, they put their fingers in their ears and start chanting, "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA...".

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    LMAO! If I listened to everyone that posts I would have a stick and throw all my weapons away. Everyone has their preferences. I didn't come here for answers. I simply posted a couple pics of carrier tilt. I liked the idea of the new buffer tube and will incorporate it into my AR. I'm thinking you feel you have the perfect "system" and everyone else's is crap.
    I don't get caught up in "this vs that".
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    To the OP...

    As I started in my post, I probably won't worry about it too much. Keep tracking your round count and keep tabs on the wear pattern. Most of the people that have blogged about this and kept track of it has stated that the wear stops... none have reported as far as I know that it would keep going down to the threads of the lowers, which would be more of an issue.

    If in the long run, you think it may be an issue... you can get both the anti-tilt from FRS and the PWS Enhanced Buffer Tube (EBT). It's my understand that the EBT was designed to allow for the carrier to be fully supported so that it doesn't have to 'jump' into the buffer tube. Looks promising for piston system... time will tell if it works out.

    Also check out this thread, just found it. He moded his standard tube and carrier to address tilting. Seem like a good home-smithing job that seem to address the the tilt issue.



    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=39687


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    Last edited by NewbieDave; 12-13-10 at 02:23.

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    To the OP:
    don't accept anything less than to be 100% satisfied from Ruger. That is unacceptable. My 10.5" LWRC upper has NO signs of carrier tilt at ~1000 rounds. And pay no mind to d-bags like the 'MarkM' guy that craps on any thread piston related. Enjoy your gun when the get it right (Or, sell it when they send it back & move on).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewbieDave View Post
    To the OP...

    As I started in my post, I probably won't worry about it too much. Keep tracking your round count and keep tabs on the wear pattern. Most of the people that have blogged about this and kept track of it has stated that the wear stops... none have reported as far as I know that it would keep going down to the threads of the lowers, which would be more of an issue.

    If in the long run, you think it may be an issue... you can get both the anti-tilt from FRS and the PWS Enhanced Buffer Tube (EBT). It's my understand that the EBT was designed to allow for the carrier to be fully supported so that it doesn't have to 'jump' into the buffer tube. Looks promising for piston system... time will tell if it works out.

    Also check out this thread, just found it. He moded his standard tube and carrier to address tilting. Seem like a good home-smithing job that seem to address the the tilt issue.



    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=39687


    Just my 2 cent.


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    The pic you posted won't work very well. Reducing the length of the RET by shortening it and then screwing it further into the lower will reduce the overall rearward stroke of the BCG and buffer assembly. This could detrimentally affect the bolt locking open on empty, and other aspects of the rifle's function. Who knows.

    OP, Any modification that substantially increases wear as compared with the original design better have a damn good reason for doing so. The main articulated reason for developing these piston systems is to increase reliability in the AR15 platform. After reading articles like Pat Roger's Filthy 14, and hearing from many hundreds of forum members here, reliability of the DI AR15 platform, when properly manufactured, is simply not a problem. I paid less for my Spike's lower and BCM upper than I would have for a complete DPMS or Bushmaster at the last gun show. As I've stated before, if DPMS/Bushmaster/Olympic Arms/Model 1 Sales/Stag AR's ran like LMT/BCM/KAC/Noveske/Larue/Spike's Tactical/Daniel Defense.......this entire forum would not exist.

    Are there people who shoot relatively high round counts with the above listed brands and have few issues....yes. But they are clearly the exception to the rule. Piston AR15's deviate from the basic design principles of the Direct Impingement AR15 in such a fashion as to have a myriad of unintended, detrimental consequences. Increased heat at the gas block and carrier tilt being two of the main issues.

    The fact remains that Ruger has created a gun that has increased wear in a previously non-bearing-surface area. I still have not heard one good excuse for doing so.

    The properly made DI AR is not broken. If some are blinded by their own financial investment into piston AR's so be it.

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    This could detrimentally affect the bolt locking open on empty, and other aspects of the rifle's function. Who knows.
    awww that's ****ing nice. Let's buy a piston AR, **** up the buffer tube because of a side effect, mess up the BCG stroke length and now we got more problems.

    Maybe the dude should cut 1/8 inch off the the rear of the carrier!

    Oh shit then the gas key might strike the buffer tube, now we gotta cut up the gas key!

    this is ridiculous.
    Last edited by kal; 12-13-10 at 09:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM Engineer View Post
    That's because most people shop on price alone and as mentioned above, never shoot the guns enough to have issues.

    My wife's father, brother and brother-in-law, think Ruger hung the moon. When I suggested a Glock instead of a Ruger pistol, my brother-in-law said "That's WAY more than I want to spend." That is the mindset of the average Ruger owner. And there are WAY more of them than there are of us.

    My father-in-law actually bragged to me that his PRIMARY personal protection gun (a S&W Model Chief's Special, bought in 1950-something) had only had 4 rounds fired through it SINCE HE BOUGHT IT OVER 50 YEARS AGO. I told him he wasn't getting his money's worth out of it that way. Not to mention the fact that he only carries 4 rounds in it, so the chamber under the hammer is empty.
    I still have a p89 my grandfather bought when it first came out.......he gave it to me before he died. He never shot it much but I can't even guess how many thousands of rounds I have put through it the past 15 years. The only thing ever replaced have been the mag springs and followers for the original mags. it would make a horrible cc gun but it has been rock solid through the years. The only other ruger I have now is a redhawk. I wanted a 45 colt that would stand up to stout loads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul24 View Post
    LMAO! If I listened to everyone that posts I would have a stick and throw all my weapons away. Everyone has their preferences. I didn't come here for answers. I simply posted a couple pics of carrier tilt. I liked the idea of the new buffer tube and will incorporate it into my AR. I'm thinking you feel you have the perfect "system" and everyone else's is crap.
    I don't get caught up in "this vs that".
    Dude, you have that much wear after 8 MONTHS of usage - that's pathetic and it's obviously a poor design. There is no "buffer tube fix" aside from swapping out the tube for a new one every year. At best, you can get the anti-tilt H2 buffer. So, basically, you have to buy an aftermarket component to fix an inherent problem in Ruger's system that they refuse to fix.

    The FACT is that it's a bad design. Period.

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    So, basically, you have to buy an aftermarket component to fix an inherent problem in MOST, IF NOT ALL SHORT STROKE PISTON AR'S
    fixed.

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