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Thread: Minimum age to buy a stripped lower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsgard View Post
    sell your upper to the dealer, have him put it on the gun and sell it back to you as a complete rifle.

    Is that feasible assuming you have a good relationship with the dealer?
    If your dealer isn't a licensed manufacturer you would be asking him to commit a felony for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric D. View Post
    The NICS system doesn't keep any info for more than 24 hours. Have someone over 21 accept the transfer, put together "their"rifle for "them" and then "buy" it from them.
    Since my dealer knows that the lower was intended to be transferred to me, this would be considered a straw purchase. Thats a federal offense if I'm not mistaken. We have a decent relationship ( I have ordered guns through him before) but I dont want to get anyone into trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhanna91 View Post
    Since my dealer knows that the lower was intended to be transferred to me, this would be considered a straw purchase. Thats a federal offense if I'm not mistaken. We have a decent relationship ( I have ordered guns through him before) but I dont want to get anyone into trouble.
    Yes a straw purchase is a felony also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robb Jensen View Post
    If your dealer isn't a licensed manufacturer you would be asking him to commit a felony for you.
    Not trying to insult you or question your knowlege, Robb, but with up-most respect, how is this a felony? Wouldn't it be the same as a gun shop owner custom-configuting a rifle for someone, such as how Grant at G&R sells M&P pistols with APEX parts installed? Or does Grant have a manufacturer license?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhanna91 View Post
    Since my dealer knows that the lower was intended to be transferred to me, this would be considered a straw purchase. Thats a federal offense if I'm not mistaken. We have a decent relationship ( I have ordered guns through him before) but I dont want to get anyone into trouble.
    Can't you just have mom/dad buy it for you...then at a latter date you can transfer it to you?
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    indeed.. if that's the definition, i'm a felon dozens of times over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhanna91 View Post
    Not trying to insult you or question your knowlege, Robb, but with up-most respect, how is this a felony? Wouldn't it be the same as a gun shop owner custom-configuting a rifle for someone, such as how Grant at G&R sells M&P pistols with APEX parts installed? Or does Grant have a manufacturer license?
    1. Grant is a dealer and licensed manufacturer. (FFL dealer and NFA manufacturer)
    2. If a dealer receives a receiver in his bound book as a receiver, and then 'leaves' as a rifle. Then he has manufactured a rifle. All FFL dealers aren't licensed manufacturers. All licensed manufacturers are dealers.
    Types of FFLs and SOTs: http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/class3.htm

    I work for a FFL (Type 1) dealer and NFA (Class III SOT) dealer we cannot manufacture anything. I can assemble stripped lower into a complete lower but it still leaves the shop as a lower, not a rifle.

    Grant is a FFL (I believe a Type 7) dealer and a NFA (I believe Class II SOT) manufacturer which allows him to deal in Title I (regular guns) and Title II (NFA) firearms as well as manufacture either type.
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    Its your choice, best to be safe. Having said that I would argue in a court of law that this is not a straw purchase. Person A buys parts for a complete AR15. These parts include a stripped lower. Person A accepts transfer of said lower. Person B is a friend well versed in the AR platform. Person A opts to have Person B assemble the rifle as a service. The stripped lower is no longer, it is now a long gun. Person A sells said long gun to Person B.

    You all have inspired me, I think I'm going to have to do some case law research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    indeed.. if that's the definition, i'm a felon dozens of times over.
    If you're doing it as a business then yes you would be an illegal dealer/manufacturer.

    If you buy say a receiver build it into a rifle, shoot it for a few years and then decide to sale it, this is quite different.

    Even certain gunsmiths have manufacturers licenses since the amount of work they're doing. Bowen for instance where they take a Ruger revolver completely build it into another custom caliber etc is a licensed manufacturer. Most if not all of the companies doing major refinishing are licensed manufacturers since they are receiving firearms.
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    Wow, I had no idea that the law was this muddled, but I shouldnt have been surprised.

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