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    Trident,

    Engraving the front of the magwell isn't really an option on the Magpul lowers because of the machining in that area, but I do understand where you're coming from.

    To be honest, I'm unwilling to mar the receiver because I haven't yet reached a point at which my sentimental attachment has trumped the simple pragmatism associated with owning such a steadily-appreciating asset. With prices climbing north of $3,000 for a component that does the same job no more capably than a $300 receiver, my enjoyment factor in owning such a piece isn't exactly keeping pace.

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    I know DD and Noveske will take one of their regular lowers back and add it to their books as an SBR if you buy the SBR upper from them. If you could get that done you wouldn't have to engrave your lower.
    "Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcvet View Post
    AC

    I know DD and Noveske will take one of their regular lowers back and add it to their books as an SBR if you buy the SBR upper from them. If you could get that done you wouldn't have to engrave your lower.
    Having done that with Noveske in the past (on N4 lowers), I'm totally tracking there.

    The question is: can Noveske do that with Magpul lower that was originally sourced/sold as one of their (Noveske) package rifles? In this case, who was the manufacturer in the eyes of the law: NRW or Magpul? Since I've no idea how any of this was entered in their books, I've got no idea if NRW could legally re-enter a MPLA lower on their books as a new NRW factory SBR. While this would be the best of all possible solutions, for some reason, it strikes me as something of a long shot.

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    I would think it would have to go back to the original manufacturer but that is just a guess. I have a regular LMT lower id like to send back. Im going to email them.
    Last edited by usmcvet; 12-20-10 at 10:50. Reason: emailed LMT will let you know what they say.
    "Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Trident,

    Engraving the front of the magwell isn't really an option on the Magpul lowers because of the machining in that area, but I do understand where you're coming from.

    To be honest, I'm unwilling to mar the receiver because I haven't yet reached a point at which my sentimental attachment has trumped the simple pragmatism associated with owning such a steadily-appreciating asset. With prices climbing north of $3,000 for a component that does the same job no more capably than a $300 receiver, my enjoyment factor in owning such a piece isn't exactly keeping pace.

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    Duh,...I have stared at the magpul lowers for yrs. yet that slipped my mind about the machining up front.

    My love over these lowers trumped a good point you made that I assume most owners of a single magpul lower struggle with, which is battling the ever increasing and to some ridiculous resale value of these on the peer to peer market.

    Given your quite the AR connoisseur as well as a fan of both Magpul and Noveske, I would think that you would already be sold on that piece of awesomeness but there is indeed so much more AR kit that can be had for the inflated value of magpul lowers these days.
    Last edited by ALCOAR; 12-20-10 at 16:09.

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    The law doesn't make any distinction about ease or difficulty of taking the barrel out. If the correct markings are on the gun it is fine.

    I see "otherwise conspicuously placed" as allowing other methods (otherwise "in another manner; differently" conspicuously placed, "obvious; readily visible or observable") of manufacturing markings.

    I would feel comfortable if someone looking for the markings could find them readily visible by inspecting the frame, receiver, and barrel.



    If we make a rifle into an SBR it would need our markings as the manufacturer of the SBR.
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    Appreciate the clarification, Todd.

    Just to throw one final curve ball at this topic, would you view the required information appearing prominently on the upper receiver of the weapon as fundamentally in compliance with the law? We're assuming here that the upper and barrel would always remain with the lower, andt there is no demonstrable intent to use components of the weapon with other modular assemblies.

    Caveat: I acknowledge that you are neither a lawyer, nor an ATF Examiner. Just looking for an informed opinion from a reasonable man.

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    Well I am not a lawyer either but this just hit me like a sledge hammer!

    If the short barrel is removed from the weapon (and not readily available) it is no longer an SBR. So it seems to make sense that the engraving could be on the barrel. As said before you could add the serial number of the weapon to the bbl as well.

    Another solution would be to SBR all your AR's, something I want to do just because I don't need or want a longer bbl. I only have three guns in my collection and two are SBR's, I know this could be costly for some.
    "Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree

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    Interested in clarification on this as I am going to SBR a SCAR not long after it arrives. With its plastic lower I would much prefer to be able to engrave the barrel.

    For my AR SBR quest I have a Noveske blem lower set aside just for SBR's so not that concerned with that one. I am trying to go the cheap route with NFA by simply adding a 10.5 barrel to an extra MRP upper I have and getting either a new barrel for the incoming SCAR or chopping the existing one from the factory.

    Great topic AC as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcvet View Post
    If the short barrel is removed from the weapon (and not readily available) it is no longer an SBR.
    Sadly, I don't believe that this would actually be the case.

    The weapon would not be an SBR by configuration, but in the eyes of the law, it would still be a restricted SBR, because the receiver's serial number is what is entered on the registry. This is why I mentioned earlier that, even if you were to install a 16" barrel on an SBR that was engraved on the barrel (vice the receiver), you would still have to engrave the NFA information on your non-NFA barrel; otherwise, you would be in possession of an SBR devoid of the required engraving.

    For all intents and purposes, the receiver is the weapon; we're simply talking about ways of meeting the legal requirements without modifying or marking that particular component.

    Welcome to the convoluted world of NFA law ...

    AC

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