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    Anyone not use a vfg?

    There is another thread here but i did not want to hijack that one so i thought i would start a new one. Vfg's just don't seem to fit me very well. What really seems to work is to wrap my hand around the rail and then place my index finger through the fsb. Obviously i had to wrap it to deal with the heat. Just wondered if anyone else tried this or if there might be something i was missing by doing this, or even an alternate hand placement. thanks

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    im not sure how many rounds you shoot in a session or in how fast you shoot them, but my fsb and barrel become very hot. its almost uncomfortable holding them with mechanix gloves for more than a few seconds. try keeping your thumb on the top with your other fingers underneath. are you using a rail system, or plastic handguards? Also what length is your gas system?

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    Well, I have never heard of placing the finger through the FSB but I do go back and forth about VFG, no VFG. Obviously when I was first introduced to AR's there were no VFG's, but I do find them handy.
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    I use a handstop or nothing at all, even stubby vfg's are too much for me.

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    I've never used one.

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    I use TD stubby VFGs as handstops only. Never could do the AFG thing.

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    I just ordered one... Figure Ill give it a shot. If I dont like it, Ill just get rid of it

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    I likely don't know what I'm doing but I don't anymore. I used to then switched to an AFG. In an attempt to lighten up my SBR I dumped it adding two six rib panels to one side and bottom and a five-rib panel to the light equipped side at the very front of my M4 RAS. I'd had full-length panels all the way around and a short one behind the AFG prior to this so while the new set-up isn't as light as I could get it, it is lighter than what I was used to.

    I found the intended application of the AFG didn't work on a carbine length system, at least for me. I did put an AFG on a friend's 6920 as far forward as possible on a RAS and that was better but I've found I like how I've got mine at the time plus putting an AFG that far forward almost certainly would lead to the greatly increased probability of grasping the FSB.

    My new favorite lightweight carbine has standard M4 handguards with all the liners except one on the bottom removed and I'm gaffawed at how handy and light that carbine is everytime I pick it up. I've had no heat issues although I'm not a high volume shooter burning through 200 rounds max during a session.

    I've gotten the FSB on both my SBR and the new lightweight hot but so far I've not had a problem burning myself. Having my hand all the way forward on the handguard/RAS is new to me but I'm working on grasping the exact same place to avoid touching the FSB.

    My current plan is to eventually put MOE handguards on both of them for uniformity and weight savings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillbilly View Post
    What really seems to work is to wrap my hand around the rail and then place my index finger through the fsb.
    That is a sub-optimal technique.

    If you don't want to use a VFG, no problem, but I encourage shooters to keep their hands on the parts of the gun that won't give them third degree burns after a few mags and provides uniformity of grip
    throughout the positions.
    Last edited by Failure2Stop; 12-22-10 at 01:03.
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    yea i know it gets hot. I have wrapped it in some 500 degree tape. I have not run a class worth of mags through it yet so not really sure how hot it would still get on quick mag changes and not for sure it is even a plausible idea. Just trying out something new and looking for other ideas. Really what i was trying to get said is that placing the index finger there is the most comfortable and seems to offer the most control to drive the gun and wondered if anyone else has any similar ideas on hand placement. The afg is ok and the vfg is ok but both tend to twist my wrist a little too much. It's ok for now and then but with extended training it's a bit much. It's a mid-length gas system and rails. thanks to all

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