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    I use a similar set-up on my M1 Garand for competition. I use the circle sight insert for the front and then the M1 Garand has the NM peep sight on the rear.

    Great for competition.

    http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1...RE_FRONT_SIGHT

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    I'm one of those weirdos that prefers a hooded front sight inside a rear peep. I find that I can align two circles very quickly.
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    KNS Precision makes a couple of different AR aperture front sights.

    here: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=0...All/search=kns

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    I have found that I'm noticeably faster with my carbine that has a Troy HK-style front and a RRA A2-style rear BUIS than with any of my "traditional" AR sighted carbines - the circle-in-circle really works for me. I was careful to adjust the front sight post to be in the center of the front aperture and I do all my elevation adjustment with the rear.

    I personally wish someone would do a FSB with an HK-style hooded sight.
    PRI makes one.
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    The Troy hk-style front sight is not the same thing. In order for this system to work the whole hood needs to move not just the post. In fact if only the post moves it can cause your shots to be off when you center the hood and the post is not centered.

    This is why the original Troy sights were hooded and the newer, improved, sights mimic the FSB with straight wings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    The Troy hk-style front sight is not the same thing. In order for this system to work the whole hood needs to move not just the post. In fact if only the post moves it can cause your shots to be off when you center the hood and the post is not centered.
    It depends on the level of precision I need.
    If I am looking for center of chest hits at 15 meters, the hood inside the peep alone is just fine.
    If I am looking for greater precision I focus on the post.
    The bullets will go to wherever you zero them to go, as indicated by the front sight.
    I have used this method for many years, from the SAW to the MP5, including the SCAR and my personal guns. I have shot open sights back to 800 meters, and have had no issues.

    This is why the original Troy sights were hooded and the newer, improved, sights mimic the FSB with straight wings.
    Is that a quote from Troy?
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    I don't know about the SAW, but the MP5 doesn't work the same way as the Troy sights. Note that in the MP5, both windage AND elevation adjustments are made in the rear sight, meaning that the front post always remains centered in the middle of the hood/shroud. It would appear that the M249 operates the same way. This is how they can use the "center the hood" method of aiming.

    While not a direct quote from Troy, it is my recollection that the sight redesign was in response to market pressure from those that used the original sights and found the non-centered post in the semi-round hood to be a distraction. I would imagine that it would be close enough at short distance not to matter, but IMHO it requires more thinking about things than it should at distance to try to sort out what it is that your eye is trying to center, post or hood, and the fact that they do not both share the same center point.

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    If you want the system to work the way the true HK sights do, then you need to get something like this setup where the front sight is fixed and all adjustment is made at the rear sight.

    It's a good system, don't get me wrong, but you want to find equipment that is designed to work with this system or you may get less than optimal results.

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    Nothing new here, that's how International small bore is shot. The only draw back on the AR platform would be that the apertures would be the same size and the sight radius is much short than a small bore rifle.


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    Rob, I had a long and utterly unsatisfying argument about this very topic a while ago, and I have absolutely no desire in reliving it here, so this will be my final post on the matter:

    It matters not a whit if the front sight post is centered in the hood or not. As long as the aperture is centered in the rear peep, you will have consistent alignment. From there, the front sight post indicates where the bullet is to land. It's just like zeroing a 6:00 hold instead of a POA/POI hold, but actually using the tip of the front sight to indicate POA/POI. I know that sounds like I am saying the same thing twice, but keep in mind that you don't have to have a front sight post to have sight alignment and sight picture, you simply have to have two things that line up with a high degree of precision.

    I have a strong suspicion that Troy changed their front sight wings due to a vocal user base that is more familiar with traditional AR FSB wings, and had difficulty in attempting to center the front sight post in the rear aperture if it is surrounded by a hood.

    If this explaination does not adequately explain the topic, feel free to PM me, but I am not going to rehash old arguments in public.
    Last edited by Failure2Stop; 12-25-10 at 08:06.
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