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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I am going to come up with a standard post I'm going to insert into all threads like this. Barring that at this time...

    Get a gun. Any gun. Really, I'm not not kidding. Go get an Olympic Arms. Go get a DPMS. Go get a pre-ban Hesse for crying out loud, but go get a damn gun. Buy a Colt or a Noveske or a BCM if you can, but buy a damn gun. Buy mags. Buy ammo. Buy mags and ammo. Buy ammo and mags. Get a sling. It doesn't matter which one. Go take a quality, beginner level, fundamentals class. Do it now. Not tomorrow. Stop ****ing around and go do it.

    Then come back and we'll talk.

    People are wasting so much time and effort worrying about and debating things that they have no way of quantifying. "I want reduced recoil" or "I want light weight" or "I want a shorter barrel" or "what stock/grip/forend should I buy" or "what's the best light for home defense". Stop. Go get a gun, go learn how to operate the gun, go shoot the hell out of the gun, and then lets have an intelligent discussion based on actual use instead of a theoretical discussion based in ignorance.
    Agreed.

    Don't want to be a turn-off for the OP but hands on is the only way to figure out what will work for you. A basic AR-15 with iron sights is all that is required to learn to operate the weapon. After a good bit of shooting you may find room for improvement in ergonomics, you'll know whether or not muzzle rise is any kind of issue, you'll have a better idea of what type of sling will work best for you. Until then money spent on anything other than the weapon, magazines, and ammo is money that could have been spent on ammo. Most of your questions will likely be answered for you as you put rounds down range. Discussions abound on each question in the OP so the search function will provide plenty of food for thought.

    Without any intent to insult if you're wanting to 'dress up' an AR you can browse the picture thread and see just about everything made for an AR and find plenty of discussion on almost all of the gear you'll see there.

    No intent to avoid helping you. The advice Rob provides is the start to answering all of your questions for you. Hope it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jklaughrey View Post
    Rob S has reached his BS patience level. Guess we are getting too much COD crowd type questions.
    Total thread jack ahead-

    This is something that has been brewing with me for quite some time. I get exposed to a LOT of the shooting community from all ends of the spectrum, and this is something that infects all users regardless of job description. People need to stop basing their decisions off of what they read on the internut and get out and shoot. Provided, of course, that shooting is their true end goal. and this is something that I identified in myself during my AK experiment 2 years ago.

    I get emails, about once a week or so, asking what people should buy, how they should outfit the gun, etc. I used to get into long chains of correspondence about what they wanted to do with the gun, what their budget was, etc. and then make suggestions on stocks, grips, forends, sights, optics, lights, slings, etc. This may be the best route for someone giving advice from a sales position but I'm not selling anything and have no financial stake in this. Now I send them the three rifles I linked to above and tell them to go buy one, with ammo and mags, and go get into a class. I suggest Randy Cain Carbine 1 (article in SWAT forthcoming on same) but there are others as well. If they can't afford the Noveske and a class I suggest the BCM and the class. If they can't afford the BCM and the class I suggest a Spike's and the class. The class is the priority!

    I usually don't hear back from many of these people. I take that as a sign that I didn't offer the advice they wanted to hear. But, it's the advice I wish someone would have put in a sock full of quarters and beat me with until I listened when I was starting out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Is it me, or are people overly obsessed with reducing recoil in a round that has very little to start with? It's not like shooting .308.
    When your shooting experience it entirely from Halo 7 or some ****ing video game, the .223 has a real work "kick" to it!

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    Poor Rob! LOL.

    I feel bad for you and the other experience people who constantly get asked all these dumb questions.


    That being said should I buy a......

    Seriously though does anyone have a link to the "Shoot the gun" thread that was started some months ago. It said essentially what Rob just did.

    Get a gun, shoot the gun, then you will figure out what you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwelz View Post
    Seriously though does anyone have a link to the "Shoot the gun" thread that was started some months ago. It said essentially what Rob just did.
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    This one?

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=28658
    Quote Originally Posted by d90king
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icculus View Post
    Yes sir, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwelz View Post
    Poor Rob! LOL.

    I feel bad for you and the other experience people who constantly get asked all these dumb questions.
    Don't. If we didn't want it we wouldn't be here. I do not want to give the impression that I or others are unwilling to help. We want to help, we really, really do. and most of us are posting from experience gained from making our own mistakes and wasting our own money. If I give off the impression of being overly annoyed sometimes just remember that I, and others, are still here and willing to help where we can and that says something.

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    Rob

    I think your Dad and my Dad should have talked, cuz I got smacked with that sock of quarters on a regular basis as a kid to make better decisions or make me more aware.
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    First - Thanks for the information and you guys are right that hands on time with the rifle can't be replaced. Also I appreciate that you guys are and do want to help.

    Second - I tend to extensively research my purchases in order to avoid investing additional time/frustration/money at a later date due to limited knowledge on the subject. I wanted to start drawing on the collective to help me do just that. I am aware, not first hand, that recoil/muzzle climb with the AR isn't a real issue, but that doesn't mean that a few minutes with someone knowledgeable wouldn't provide some incite and help a guy out. Such as some of the mechanical means to reduce the already low muzzle climb even further.

    Thankfully my shooting experience isn't limited to just Halo or CoD, but I have none with the the AR so again I understand the hands on advice. The looks of the rifle are not of concern to me, but the function/reliability/peace of mind from an informed decision is however. I will continue to read the forums appreciate all of your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidskie View Post
    Hey everyone - I've been doing some research and trying to learn more about the AR-15 platform. Google and sites like this one are helping a lot, but I still have not even opened the cover of this book if you will.

    I'll get to the point of my request though instead of boring everyone. I am looking for a quality AR (leaning toward BCM) that is very smooth with limited muzzle climb. I have watched a lot of videos and there are some obvious differences in recoil/muzzle climb in them. Obviously choice of ammo, buffers used, muzzle break/flash suppressor used, etc effect this. I just need some help with many random'ish questions.

    Flash suppressor v/s a Muzzle break
    Slings
    Magazines
    Ammo
    Probably many more topics LOL

    Do any of you use Yahoo messenger? I'd love chat with some knowledgeable folks in order to answer some questions I have. I tend to be a little ADD when it comes to forums/emails and messenger allows me to quickly go down different rabbit trails as my thought process changes. If so I'll PM my ID or you can PM yours. Also that isn't to say replies in this thread are unwelcome by any means. Thanks everyone!
    I second the "get a gun" crowd....plus, I would recommend you read the "stickies" in each forum you're interested in...and use the search function...and only post when needed. I've been shooting the AR platform regularly for the last 12 years, but it was only since I joined here did I "learn". Don't feel like you're being shut down--I don't post here much, but I read often. There are a lot of experts here from hardware to employment...as I mention on another forum I frequent, "read more, post less"....

    Also, I would check out the Training threads....

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