EMP The Worst Case Senerio????

[zpo]

I worry about CME's not EMP from manmade sources.

[Thomas M-4]

That's NOT true. You should read the EMP commissions report. It states even a 1 megaton Nuke would do it, although you would get better results with a higher yield weapon, it's not needed to take down the grid for a L O N G time. Also, I guess you don't know about the high altitude 3 stage Shabab 3 missles Iran has been firing off ships for over 5 years now?? In fact, our friend Hugo Chavez has recently bought some from Iran. Feel any safer now? The Soviets have been testing EMP nukes for YEARS and know exactly what it takes and in fact even threatend us(2006) with an EMP attack. That info came from one of our own representitives (Roscoe Bartlet) who were at a conference overseas when threatend by 2 Russian military representitives. You can hear this yourself at: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/empact-radio Like I said, been doing LOTS of research and this info isn't just 'hearsay'. Hope this helps.

Any detonation of a EMP weapon would be considered a first strike weapon. The military would respond with nuclear weapons on the country of origin.

[Heavy Metal]

That's NOT true. You should read the EMP commissions report. It states even a 1 megaton Nuke would do it, although you would get better results with a higher yield weapon, it's not needed to take down the grid for a L O N G time. Also, I guess you don't know about the high altitude 3 stage Shabab 3 missles Iran has been firing off ships for over 5 years now?? In fact, our friend Hugo Chavez has recently bought some from Iran. Feel any safer now? The Soviets have been testing EMP nukes for YEARS and know exactly what it takes and in fact even threatend us(2006) with an EMP attack. That info came from one of our own representitives (Roscoe Bartlet) who were at a conference overseas when threatend by 2 Russian military representitives. You can hear this yourself at: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/empact-radio Like I said, been doing LOTS of research and this info isn't just 'hearsay'. Hope this helps.

And what makes you think 1 Megaton is low yield? That is still a hydrogen device and about 67 times larger than the device that nuked Hiroshima.

Anything Iran could build at this stage would be a Hiroshima type Fat Man or Little Boy device. They are a long ways from building a Teller-Ulam Fission-fusion device and much farther from minaturizing it to fit on that Shabab 3 bottle rocket. Early Hydrogen bombs required the better part of the bomb-bay of a heavy bomber to carry, weighting many thousands of pounds and they are farther still from that.

So what if the Russians are threating it? Of couse they can build one, they have large ICBM's and 20 Megaton Warheads they can put on them. They can threaten whatever they like, we have bunches of stuff that can make things nice and glassy for them we can fire back too.

The last thing the Russians want to do is get into a full-scale exchange with us considering the state of their rocket forces and submarines, they would be lucky to be able to actually detonate a small fraction of their arsenal. We would do better by orders of magnitude. The strategic rocket forces ain't living in their glory years of the mid-80's anymore. Their shit is seriously decrepit.

[Heavy Metal]

I worry about CME's not EMP from manmade sources.

Absoutely. There is no realistic EMP threat from Terrorists or rogue nations. They simply do not possess sufficiently large missiles capable of carrying sufficiently powerful, sufficiently small warheads to pose a remotely credible threat. It takes all of the above to pose a credible EMP threat. Only Russia, China, France and mabey Britan possess that technology and the actual hardware on hand to deliver it. Not even India yet and their warhead and missile programs are decades and orders of magnitude in advance of Iran's.

It's like it's 1900 and people are worrying about the Kaiser having Lasers.

The Sun, on the other hand, has done far worse as recently as the 1850's. That is a serious and relaistic EMP threat.

[zpo]

The Sun, on the other hand, has done far worse as recently as the 1850's. That is a serious and relaistic EMP threat.

April of this year it shot off a CME on Earths obital plane large enough to end our tech, we just weren't there.

And then there's this shit.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...lobaleruption/

[1776 Patriot]

[QUOTE=Heavy Metal;857278]Absoutely. There is no realistic EMP threat from Terrorists or rogue nations. They simply do not possess sufficiently large missiles capable of carrying sufficiently powerful, sufficiently small warheads to pose a remotely credible threat. /QUOTE]

Really? I guess the EMP commission that was comprised of experts in EMP are wrong then when they say even a freakin modified scud missle fired off a ship offshore would do the job? Iran has the missles (this is documented fact)and are working to get a nuke as we speak if they don't already possess one. Please don't print something as being fact as people really need the facts to make up there own minds on the "realistic" threat. May I suggest you visit the site I listed above to get the facts by experts in the EMP field. As Glenn Beck says 'don't take my word on it', research it yourself and you'll see for yourself what i'm saying. Hope this helps......

[Heavy Metal]

I have researched it and there are other experts with opinions to the contrary. I don't just swallow the first report someone throws out the door, I think for myself, use my critical thinking skills and use that damn science degree I paid all that money for.

[500grains]

I worry more about economic collapse through redistributive wealth schemes (Obama Care, Cap & Trade/Tax, Climate Change, Etc...), over spending, Amnesty for Illegals, Funding for Illegals for free education (Oh yeah, been shot down) and border security, then I ever would for EMP.

Me too.

1. Over spending -> currency collapse -> nobody will sell goods for US dollars -> riots/looting

2. Over spending -> rampant inflation -> we cannot afford to buy goods -> riots/looting

3. Govt regulation/****sup -> domestic or worldwide financial collapse -> NO goods in the supply chain -> riots/looting

4. Over spending -> govt dumps entitlements as an emergency measure to avoid financial collapse -> riots/looting

5. Earthquake in Utah (local disaster only, there is probably an equivalent for your area) -> all roads and bridges disrupted (it only takes 4 to prevent travel in/out of Salt Lake City -> average person runs out of water immediately and runs out of food in 4 days -> riots/looting

6. Global pandemic on the scale of some plagues in Europe -> people refuse to go out of their homes due to fear -> no goods are put in the supply chain or delivered -> riots/looting

7. Prez gets overconfident or fearful/angry or whatever -> martial law imposed -> people think the commie takeover is upon us -> widespread rebellion plus riots / looting

8. Government of Mexico collapses -> financial system in Mexico collapses -> relief efforts cannot deliver food, medicine and power to 84 million Mexicans -> 20% of Mexicans try to bug out to the north -> border states try to set up an impenetrable line but cannot due to distances involved -> refugees who penetrate the line will do anything to get food/water/transport -> The taco apocalypse is upon us.

[Clarkm]

A security clearance was needed for EMP design in 1983 -1988.
Anyone remember the cold war?
It could wipe out our TVs and we would be without porno, was the worry.

Now we would have no internet, and be without porno.


Given the gov spending, we thought Obama would trigger Jimmy Carter style inflation, but except for ammo and Gold, it has not happened.

The money has not gone to the money market, as the yield is low. It went back into the stock market, and has been hiding in cash and stocks for 2 years.

The thing to remember about economic collapse, is that much of it is driven by emotions. Crazy gov spending was a necessary, but not sufficient condition for inflation.

I still think it is coming... like the great pumpkin.

[1776 Patriot]

I have researched it and there are other experts with opinions to the contrary. I don't just swallow the first report someone throws out the door, I think for myself, use my critical thinking skills and use that damn science degree I paid all that money for.

Ok, no problem. I'm not going to try to debate this anymore as I obviously I can't compete with someone with a science degree. All jokes aside, your certainly intitled to believe your "experts", but i'll just believe my experts, you know the ones who were actually chosen for there expertise on EMP's and served on the actual EMP commission, as well as a little agency called the Defense Nuclear Agency and of course other little known agencys like the CIA, and the NIA. Have a great holiday!!