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    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysusigma View Post
    Didn't someone on here make a plate that did basically the same thing, that would work with existing receivers?
    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=66389

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Talked to the designer/owner about them a year ago about these. Cool design for sure, but I don't know if they really ever got out to the public.



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    No, they were kept pretty quiet and out of the public eye, although a ghost clone came about in the mean time. The official release was just a few hours ago.
    Last edited by Stickman; 01-06-11 at 22:23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markdh720 View Post
    Most of you guys have a lot more experience so I have a question. During the training that I've received, I can't remember a time when I locked the bolt back with a magazine still in the well. Is there ever a circumstance for this, or is it understood that if the bolt needs to be locked back, the mag should always be stripped too? If that's true, I see the value in the function of the ADAC piece.
    you can still lock the bolt back with the mag in the well with the ADAC lower the 'normal way' as the bolt catch still functions the same on the left side.

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    One problem I see with this design is, you have to have their lower. many people may not want their lower to simply add to the collection of lowers one already has laying around. The other problem, while it is innovative to say the least, I do not think it is practical in the sense that you do not always need to remove your mag to clear a malfunction such as an FTE or FTF. Heck even a stovepipe. I think this only comes in handy when you have a double feed, right? In those cases you want to drop the mag. So it appears that to utilize the lower's unique feature, you have to drop the mag. God forbid you have a double feed within the first few rounds of the mag, drop it, then have another malfunction in the next mag. You could have 20 to 30 or more rounds just laying on the ground to clear a malfunction. That is a lot of wasted rounds in a fight that could very well save your life or a teammate's.

    I think the BAD addresses this issue better than a complete lower approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Bert View Post
    One problem I see with this design is, you have to have their lower. many people may not want their lower to simply add to the collection of lowers one already has laying around. The other problem, while it is innovative to say the least, I do not think it is practical in the sense that you do not always need to remove your mag to clear a malfunction such as an FTE or FTF. Heck even a stovepipe. I think this only comes in handy when you have a double feed, right? In those cases you want to drop the mag. So it appears that to utilize the lower's unique feature, you have to drop the mag. God forbid you have a double feed within the first few rounds of the mag, drop it, then have another malfunction in the next mag. You could have 20 to 30 or more rounds just laying on the ground to clear a malfunction. That is a lot of wasted rounds in a fight that could very well save your life or a teammate's.

    I think the BAD addresses this issue better than a complete lower approach.
    So you have some trigger time with AXTS products?
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    I'll admit it's a bit of a juggling act to clear an AR, but I don't like the fact that using this system gives me no control over when and where I drop the magazine.

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    Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon!

    Your left hand if you still have two hands can grab the magazine while depressing the magazine catch button so you don't drop the magazine. THEN you can continue pressing the magazine catch button while pulling on the charging handle with your left hand and it'll lock the bolt to the rear. If you have a double feed once with a magazine it's very likely to happen again. Returning the magazine that just caused a double feed back into the gun is dumb. Get a fresh magazine. This is why most carry a spare magazine with their concealed firearm. It isn't because they think they'll need the rounds they may just have to dump the soup sandwich and get a fresh magazine in there.

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    You can lock the bolt to the rear the conventional way BEFORE removing the magazine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt_Gold View Post
    but I don't like the fact that using this system gives me no control over when and where I drop the magazine.
    how does it take control away from you? if you want to drop the mag, press the mag release button. if you don't want to drop the mag, don't press the mag release button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robb Jensen View Post
    So you have some trigger time with AXTS products?
    No I do not, but I don't need to have hands on time to understand the functionality. I am not saying it is not a good design, I just feel in order to use it, one has to drop the mag. So the user has to try to make a decision as to whether or not he/she should employ it. I think that alone will eat up the 24.66% time savings. I do think KAC did it better in keeping the two functions separate. Like Sgt_Gold said, I want to decide if I drop my mag or not. I guess I could with the AXTS lower too, but if I have to decide, then what is the point of the lower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by militarymoron View Post
    you can still lock the bolt back with the mag in the well with the ADAC lower the 'normal way' as the bolt catch still functions the same on the left side.
    Excellent. I (and obviously others) assumed that using the bolt catch would activate the mag release as well, and not function independently anymore. Thanks for setting me straight.

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