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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Bert View Post
    No I do not, but I don't need to have hands on time to understand the functionality.
    Without trying to hurt any feelings here, how familiar are you with the M4 and various malfunctions? Without looking it up, could you clearly explain them to people? There seems to be a disconnect between the information you are stating and the item being discussed, and I'm not sure if its because you don't understand the subject, or you don't understand the item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markdh720 View Post
    Excellent. I (and obviously others) assumed that using the bolt catch would activate the mag release as well, and not function independently anymore.


    Maybe that is what is confusing people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Bert View Post
    I do not think it is practical in the sense that you do not always need to remove your mag to clear a malfunction such as an FTE or FTF. Heck even a stovepipe. I think this only comes in handy when you have a double feed, right? In those cases you want to drop the mag.
    it depends on what you do when you encounter a malfunction. if the gun fails to fire, you apply immediate action - tap, rack (or tap, pull on mag, rack), which doesn't involve locking the bolt back or dropping the mag, so up until then, the ADAC function has not affected you.
    if it doesn't fire, then you've got something like a double feed (failure to extract), charging handle impingement or bolt override where remedial action is needed in which the first step is ripping out the mag, then manipulating the charging handle or locking the bolt to the rear. that's when the ADAC feature is used. it allows you to do it without changing your firing grip on the weapon.
    if you address your malfunctions a different way, then you may not find the ADAC feature useful. it's not for everyone. as a left hander, i can't use the ADAC function, since i manipulate the bolt catch with my left hand anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    Without trying to hurt any feelings here, how familiar are you with the M4 and various malfunctions? Without looking it up, could you clearly explain them to people? There seems to be a disconnect between the information you are stating and the item being discussed, and I'm not sure if its because you don't understand the subject, or you don't understand the item.
    No feeling are being hurt. I am new to the forum and I have not disclosed my qualifications. I spent many years in the Navy as an instructor (0812) as a Gunner's Mate in the Brown Water Navy attached to ACU4 and then SBU20 Little Creek, VA. I have fired 10's of thousands of rounds through M16A2's, M4A1's, MK18's, MK12 Mod 0, etc. I have experienced plenty of malfunctions. Being the Gunner's Mate, I was the one who had to determine the cause of said malfunction. I think I am fully qualified to have an opinion on this subject.

    Like I have said, I think the design is a good idea in theory. I think the .mil will have none of it though. Why spend the money on replacing lowers when the troops can by a $25 part they can install themselves if the troops want to.

    And having spent plenty of time in the military, I can tell you for certain that they want a full and complete package and not a lower. Also a complete rifle from a single manufacturer.

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    I am surprised I haven't seen this before. I like the idea, but I don't want a proprietary lower. Would love to run this thing through it's paces.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Bert View Post
    No feeling are being hurt. I am new to the forum and I have not disclosed my qualifications. I spent many years in the Navy as an instructor (0812) as a Gunner's Mate in the Brown Water Navy attached to ACU4 and then SBU20 Little Creek, VA. I have fired 10's of thousands of rounds through M16A2's, M4A1's, MK18's, MK12 Mod 0, etc. I have experienced plenty of malfunctions. Being the Gunner's Mate, I was the one who had to determine the cause of said malfunction. I think I am fully qualified to have an opinion on this subject.

    Like I have said, I think the design is a good idea in theory. I think the .mil will have none of it though. Why spend the money on replacing lowers when the troops can by a $25 part they can install themselves if the troops want to.

    And having spent plenty of time in the military, I can tell you for certain that they want a full and complete package and not a lower. Also a complete rifle from a single manufacturer.
    I am not trying to nit pick but the overwhelming inaccuracy of your statement in regards to the military only wanting to buy "full or complete package" tended to stand out at least to me....esp. since right above that statement you say you have extensive time on the MK 12's and MK 18's yet anybody who has the least idea about those two rifles understands that the end product is a culmination of numerous different company's kit....Crane is not a Mfg. and when they take lmt 10.5" barrels, run KAC rails and sights, colt bcg's and perhaps a colt lower, and form a MK 18, that is certainly not a complete rifle already built by one single outfit or company. MK 12's run heavy doses of ARMs, PRI tubes/KAC rails and sights, random stocks be it a Sopmod or an A1 or A2, OPs muzzle device, etc....so obviously again, one of the military's rifles is a sourced build using numerous diff. mfg'rs kit.

    If either Colt, LMT, FN, or KAC make MK 18's and MK 12's as complete guns using only their kit/parts and thereby own the design and can call it their rifle, then feel free to correct me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I am not trying to nit pick but the overwhelming inaccuracy of your statement in regards to the military only wanting to buy "full or complete package" tended to stand out at least to me....esp. since right above that statement you say you have extensive time on the MK 12's and MK 18's yet anybody who has the least idea about those two rifles understands that the end product is a culmination of numerous different company's kit....Crane is not a Mfg. and when they take lmt 10.5" barrels, run KAC rails and sights, colt bcg's and perhaps a colt lower, and form a MK 18, that is certainly not a complete rifle already built by one single outfit or company. MK 12's run heavy doses of ARMs, PRI tubes/KAC rails and sights, random stocks be it a Sopmod or an A1 or A2, OPs muzzle device, etc....so obviously again, one of the military's rifles is a sourced build using numerous diff. mfg'rs kit.

    If either Colt, LMT, FN, or KAC make MK 18's and MK 12's as complete guns using only their kit/parts and thereby own the design and can call it their rifle, then feel free to correct me.

    You're correct about that point, however the .mil is not looking to have Crane build out ambi rifles for the entire military force. In instances like this, they would want an entire package from a single source. Wether or not that single source decides to use various parts form different mfgs, is a whole other issue. If you re-read my statement, I am only stating my experiences with the platform in response to Stick's question.
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    Maybe somebody doesn't understand that even though it's available as a complete lower, it's also just a SINGLE PIN. I'm pretty sure that upon release they'll sell this part separately.

    I'd get one.

    What I don't understand, is in a FTE, FTF, why would you even be trying to lock the bolt back? Just rack and charge. No reason to rip out the magazine. A double feed is what this is specifically designed for. (I think, not to speak for the company or anything.)

    If it breaks? Well... it is a single pin, that's pretty easy to remove, and it doesn't impede the function of the takedown pins so it can be removed without armorer support.

    No downsides I can see. However, no way in hell would I buy an entire lower receiver for it.

    I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    Maybe somebody doesn't understand that even though it's available as a complete lower, it's also just a SINGLE PIN. I'm pretty sure that upon release they'll sell this part separately.
    The pin reminded me of:

    (I hate not being able to direct post pics)

    For a little levity.

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    it's a pin that fits into a hole that a standard receiver doesn't have, so you can't retrofit a standard lower with it.
    i understand that many won't want to buy a whole receiver just for a new function (unless it's the KAC E3 receiver) if you don't need another one, but it's just another option if someone's in the market to get a new receiver.
    more choices = win for the consumer.

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