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    Quote Originally Posted by fdxpilot View Post
    I wouldn't necessarily convert an existing carbine (which actually means rebuilding the upper with mostly new components and possibly using a different buffer.) That seems like wasted money and effort.
    However, I would not buy a new upper with a 14.5" barrel or longer with a carbine-length gas system. Nothing bad about a carbine, but mid-length (if properly built,) is better.
    If by "mostly new components" you mean just a barrel and gas tube then ok. There's a lot of parts in an upper and changing two is not that bad, though you need some specific knowledge/tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amac View Post
    It seems as though everyone (lots of people) are moving towards mid length rifles, what benefit do carbine length serve? What's their best application?

    I've got a 16" carbine, just ordered a middy and now am considering converting my carbine. Should I leave it as is? Thanks
    I have car lengths. I have mid lengths. I would not spend a penny converting a car into a mid. however, I'll probably only buy mids from now on due to support hand placement issues with the 7" car.
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    its funny, i know a few people in my area that went out and bought middies after the first few posts were made and the rage began. and they have no clue why they bought them. bandwagon maybe

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    I've purchased a middy. The decision is wether or not to keep the carbine. Based on what I'm hearing, I think I'm going to dump the carbine. The middies I've shot are much smoother and for follow up shots, its night and day. Plus, I don't have use for two AR's (that's code for the wife will only let me keep one ).

    Thanks for the feedback.

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    I never owned a carbine-length until I bought an SBR. Originally, when I bought my first AR15's, I hadn't discovered M4C or LF, and just preferred the longer forend.

    My favorite benefit to the middy is the longer site "radius." Shooting a middy with irons is cake, but I have to work to focus on the FSP with the carbine.
    Last edited by Tactical Joke; 01-12-11 at 21:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artiz View Post
    To me the carbine gas system is for the 14.5", which I have (LMT 14.5" upper), I don't understand why anybody would buy a 16" carbine instead of a mid-lenght.
    I agree with this, the carbine gas system works extremely well in 14.5" and shorter barrels but when used on a standard 16" barrel really starts to beat up the rifle. The midlength gas system makes much more sense on a 16" barrel.

    Going with a lightweight profile middy over government or HBAR shouldn't be much heavier than a 14.5" M4 profile. Maybe even less depending on the rails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Not really. Noveskse has been making mid lengths for a few years now.
    Agreed and so has Armelite, which I believe was the first to make the Middy, and Sabre Defense.

    To the OP, my first Middy was a Sabre Defense upper a little over three years ago way before it became a fad, because I wanted a longer sight radius and more rail length to extend my support arm out to a more comfortable position. Quite frankly, I knew nothing about mid-lengths at the time and thought it was something different and it looked pretty cool to go on a Colt Sporter lower. I had never fired one until then, and that's when I found out it was softer shooting than a carbine gas length. A year or so later after joining this board, did I find that it was a more efficient DI system than the carbine, and that it was less harder on it's parts due to lower cycling pressures, which is why it had a softer recoil. A year later, I got a LMT MRP. I like carbine lengths as well since I own two 6920's, but favor the Middys, so for me, it's not a new concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilotguyo540 View Post
    Both have government profiles. I thought that would give the middy an advantage. My middy has a smith vortex FH, so that can't help much either.
    Interesting, the middy gov profile should be an ounce or two lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    Interesting, the middy gov profile should be an ounce or two lighter.
    I wish I had a scale. My current config calcs in at about 8 pounds 7 oz before my monster light. That's with a standard M4 stock.

    I knew the advantages of a middy before I bought mine. I will reconfigure my set up and see if that helps. I believe a lot of the problem is in having a more forward CG. If that wad of cash turns into an exercise in futility I will buy the LW noveske I have always wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilotguyo540 View Post
    Weight and balance are a major plus for the carbine. I made the switch to mid length and I am having doubts that I made the right choice. It really hits home when I fire my ex's carbine I built for her and then go back to my lead sled.
    This has more to do with the barrel contour you chose (not the gas system).


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