Women in combat arms MOS's

[crusader377]

I served in an infantry unit in both Afghanistan (2002) and Iraq (2003) and I think this is a terrible idea that will surely ruin the effectiveness of our infantry, special forces, armor, and artillery units. Here is the link and what are your thoughts?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41083172/ns/us_news-life

[Belmont31R]

Its like a liberal parade of degenerates right through the gates of Ft. Bragg.



Wait til you see a dude in a woman's uniform because he got his tid bits chopped off.




Edit: And no I dont think women should be in combat arms. Just medical, clerical, staff type positions.

[BAC]

As a civilian, I have questions about whether this will measure make our fighting force more effective. Yes, we know women have fought. But I don't know how well they fought. Do they bring some new capability to combat arms units? Can they carry/drag someone however many meters? Pull someone up over a half-wall? Can they carry the required loadout the required distance?


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[MarkG]

Women in combat is a bad idea and everyone knows it.

Just like in law enforcement and fire departments, the physical standards for entry will have to be lowered for women to even get to the selection phase let alone get through the training.

When will women, within 3 months of their 18th birthday be required to register for the selective service? When Jimmy Carter re-established the Selective Service program, there was a recommendation that it be extended to include women but of course it failed. There was a subsequent challenge to the law as unconstitutional that went to SCOTUS. The court held that since women couldn't serve in combat roles, they couldn't be drafted. Guess its time to take a new look at selective service.

[mr_smiles]

Yet the standards won't be the same, bunch of hypocritical pc bullshit is all.

[Armati]

Most people have a very short attention span and lack the ability to put anything in historical context. Whenever this subject comes up, I try to point to movies and shows that I think illustrate the life and times of your typical dog faced Earth Pig.

A lot of people look at this current war and the average life of the fobbit (which is 80% of the force) and assume that is what it must be like in Combat Arms.

Check out the movie Hamburger Hill. How would women fit in that sort of combat environment.

Look at the Band of Brothers series or The Pacific. Same question.

Or, look no further than Restrepo to see how different life is at one of these COPs over a nice FOB like BAF, KAF, or Salerno.

[jklaughrey]

Women are intelligent and have their place per se in the military. But they lack the requisite all around strength and endurance to undertake the arduous task of prolonged combat. Combat is tough on men for Christ's sake. Many men have difficulty at times adapting and performing duties in a trigger puller capacity. Adding women would just put a greater strain on those men already in that unit. Not to mention the whole psychological bullshit that men will run around stupid to protect a woman. It has been seen and proven. Female gets hit, men will continue to get killed and wounded in their attempt to save her. Granted we do it for our brothers, but we lose our heads and throw caution to the wind when it comes to a female.

[RogerinTPA]

This is a really bad idea. I'm not say woman can't defend themselves when in certain combat conditions, but all this will result in, is "gender norming" or lowering the standards of performance to make a political statement, just like allowing Gays in the military. It will be a tremendous challenge to men who were raised to protect women and children at all cost, which is instinctively embedded in most men, to not coddling/protect them and compromising the mission or endangering themselves unnecessarily. Until they can perform to the same standard, it will not truly be same same, Keif Keif. Besides, it will never attract the hot women anyway.

[HES]

The only way this might be a good idea is if they had the same physical standards for both men and women. Even then it would be uber iffy. Sure there are some dynamic butch women out there who could hack it, but they are a huge minority.

[GermanSynergy]

I agree, but this will never happen. Females have no place in Combat Arms MOS's for the reasons stated above.

Additionally, how many females actually WANT to serve in the Infantry?

The only way this might be a good idea is if they had the same physical standards for both men and women. Even then it would be uber iffy. Sure there are some dynamic butch women out there who could hack it, but they are a huge minority.