Women in combat arms MOS's

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

I spent 2 years as an 0331 before I lost my hearing in my right ear. Grunt life is hard and extremely physical. A 30 mile forced hump with a 240 IS NOT SOMETHING THAT 99.99% OF WOMEN IN THE WORLD COULD DO.

Having had two lioness' attached to us when I was with 1/1 in MWTC, I can tell you that patrols slowed down by at least an hour or more, we had to carry their gear, men constantly tried to **** them, and bitched moaned and groaned all the time.

There is a difference between performing well in an ambush or a random attack, and performing well in a line unit. Lioness teams were just fine, but this is outrageous and just another liberal attempt to turn a killing machine into a tolerance machine.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

Additionally, how many females actually WANT to serve in the Infantry?

Surprisingly, many. They dont understand just how hard their life will be, they think about being a grunt the same way a prospective recruit thinks. Id say give every female that wants to be a grunt 3 months to do it: 1 month at MWTC Cold, 1 month at Viper, and 1 Month doing the day to day activities of a Combat Arms MOS aka police calls and field days and constant denegrating hazing.

Problem solved.

[Heavy Metal]

The number of women who could meet a realistic physical standard for combat arms is so low, it isn't worth considering the logistical overhead necessary to accomidate the miniscule number who could squeak by the minimum standard.

[Heavy Metal]

Someone at that MSNBC article mentioned that women can pul the trigger as well as a man. Combat isn't a shooting match where you pull up to the firing line in a golf cart on a sunny spring day.

Firing a weapon is but the end event in a long chain of individual and common tasks that brings one to that point. Being able to take the fight to the enemy on his home turf is a world different than defending a fighting position in a fixed installation somewhere. Shooting is the only thing these two events have in common.


First, one must be able to carry a hundred pounds of shit over many miles of irregular terrain in extreme climatic conditions, live like an animal in the mud for weeks at a time and them still be physically and mentally cognizant enough to effectively pull the trigger at the end of the chain. Not to mention the ability to extract your wounded 200lbs teammate while under fire.

The number of women who can do that is infinitesmial.

I would be shocked if there were 10 women in the entire CONUS who could pass an SF Q-course or Ranger School.

The only way to accomidate women in combat would be to dumb down the standards and put more of the burden on the men.

To hell with that. That will mean dead soldiers where none needed to die and mabey even lost battles and wars. Time to put and end to this PC fantasy. It is not worth the lives of one American fighting man.

[Caeser25]

They sure as hell coudn't make it in Arty, 155 anyways. Everyone must be able to hump those rounds. Firing off a 15 round fire mission isn't hard for a 200 pound man until you start getting into the larger illum rounds, 150ish pounds IIRC. Loading 36ish rounds by hand into the Paladin is harder. Loading 96ish dummy rounds into the FAASV when resupplying is grueling. Picture clean and jerk, 96 times inside a phone booth in under 5 minutes, then you have a few specialty rounds as well that ride in their own area, Copperheads are upwards of 200 pounds, those take 2 for loading though for special reasons with it. You better be done when the fuel is done. Hell there's 150 pound men that have trouble even opening the breech let alone the above.

[crusader377]

They sure as hell coudn't make it in Arty, 155 anyways. Everyone must be able to hump those rounds. Firing off a 15 round fire mission isn't hard for a 200 pound man until you start getting into the larger illum rounds, 150ish pounds IIRC. Loading 36ish rounds by hand into the Paladin is harder. Loading 96ish dummy rounds into the FAASV when resupplying is grueling. Picture clean and jerk, 96 times inside a phone booth in under 5 minutes, then you have a few specialty rounds as well that ride in their own area, Copperheads are upwards of 200 pounds, those take 2 for loading though for special reasons with it. You better be done when the fuel is done. Hell there's 150 pound men that have trouble even opening the breech let alone the above.

Big +1 with Arty. I was an PL/XO in a M198 battery and the longer fire missions are definitely alot of work along with firing out of azimuth missions or high angle missions as well as emplacing.

Serving as an FSO is also demanding especially when your fire support team is under manned which is quite often and alot of the FOs are carrying their own radios as well as your standard infantry equipment.

[theblackknight]

[variablebinary]

I'd take a female battle buddy, treat her with the same respect I would treat a male battle buddy, and would back her up 100%.

I think there are many women that would make fine combat Soldiers.

However, everyone needs to put their army values first and keep them there if woman are in combat arms.

Last I checked, ****ing, flirting, sucking, infidelity, pregnancy and rape don't appear in LDRSHIP.

There are already women out there doing their thing. Give them a little more room to show what they can do and we might all be surprised.

[NoBody]

I train my sons to be godly men with a warrior's spirit. However, my wife and I train our daughter to be a godly woman that will be a great wife and mother. My boys may see the battlefield one day, but not my daughter.

[Littlelebowski]

I don't care how many motivating pictures of females in spotlessly clean uniforms there AR on line, for the overwhelming vast majority, females cannot ****ing hack it. I've been in charge of female Marines and physically, my best female was equivalent to my worst males.