Women in combat arms MOS's

[Littlelebowski]

Looks like all of the grunts are saying the same thing in this thread.

[jklaughrey]

I will go one further. During Desert Shield/Storm the hospital ships Mercy/Comfort were known as the "floating whorehouse". Go for supplies as a grunt doc get a BJ. Get injured, get a girl pregnant. There was a high rate of pregnancy and actual deliveries on those boats.

[chadbag]

It is a FNC variant, called the AK5.

Specifically a new updated variant called the AK5C

[Redmanfms]

Were women held to exactly, exactly the same standard as men, I actually wouldn't be averse to the idea. Other militaries have successfully integrated women into combat roles, but they are held to phenomenal standards. The problem is that most women can't meet those standards, which is why there is a separate standard for women in the American military.

Given current regs, I don't think women belong in the military AT ALL.

[Redmanfms]

I will go one further. During Desert Shield/Storm the hospital ships Mercy/Comfort were known as the "floating whorehouse". Go for supplies as a grunt doc get a BJ. Get injured, get a girl pregnant. There was a high rate of pregnancy and actual deliveries on those boats.

Women on ships has always equaled bad. My floater brethren told me how many women typically came up pregnant right before a deployment, bottom figures were in the 1/3rd range. I know of at least one ship out of Mayport that couldn't deploy on time, they didn't deply until they early transferred some shore duty guys (royally ****ing them out of their "family time").

Now they're putting women on subs (glad I'm out). I don't frankly see how they'll do it from a logistical standpoint (not enough bunk/head space), but I wonder how long the PC police will cling to the folly when several boats aren't able to get out and cover their target packages because a third of the females on board decided to avoid patrol by getting pregnant. It was "doable" in the float Navy because a lot of divisions are 5+ sections deep, but I've been port-and-starboard for entire patrols more than once. You throw women with all of their regulatory "easy outs" into the mix and there are going to be boats sitting pierside that should be out in the big blue puddle.





Don't get me started on single moms who suck up shore billets. Men get sole custody = goodbye, parenthood discharge. Women have out-of-wedlock children (and nobody to care for them while deployed) = hello permanent shore duty.

[Armati]

I agree with all of that. That has been my observation and I have been working a joint world for a while.

There is simply no getting around the problem of biology. There is no regulatory fix for this.

Women get pregnant, menstruate, have breasts, and every swinging dick in the force is trying to poke them.

There are a great many women that do a very fine job at what they do. However, Combat Support is not Combat Arms even though they both might be in a gun fight from time to time. Large national militaries are built around the norm for that society. While special cases will always exist, we structure the force around the typical individual in the force and, for better or worse, not around exceptional individuals. The military is a govt bureaucracy like any other.

Anyone who is really interested in the issue of women in the military should read "I Love My Rifle More Than You":

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Rifle-Mor.../dp/0393060985

I think it is a very accurate account. Check out the reviews on Amazon. It is a MUST READ if really think girls and boys are interchangeable parts in our military.