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Thread: How Many Rounds Fired on One's AR to Say It's: "Reliable/Flawless/Etc."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    I agree but I think the first part of your statement is actually more important than the 500 round count. A weapon component can fail any time, but if you start with quality to begin with (including the manufacturer's guarantee), then you can have confidence regardless of the minimum round count.
    I'm not one to post disagree with others on here much since I consider myself a constant "student" around here, but I respectfully disagree with you.

    Yes, the quality manufacturers should grant you more confidence in your selection, but even Colt, BCM, Noveske, etc have an occasional lemon. I'm just pointing out that running the weapon to ensure operational reliability is at least as important as knowing you have quality components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I set my benchmark around 500 rounds. If I can go 500 rounds without a weapon related malfunction then I consider it GTG.
    i am assuming 500 with no re-lube/clean?

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    Gee I don't ever remember having to get to a certain round count before we could use a weapon to go to war? I don't remember any statndard round count for the weapons issued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    I agree but I think the first part of your statement is actually more important than the 500 round count. A weapon component can fail any time, but if you start with quality to begin with (including the manufacturer's guarantee), then you can have confidence regardless of the minimum round count.
    My warm fuzzy is still 1500 rounds of problem free shooting, since my focus is geared toward a 3 day carbine course. It is up to the individual shooter as to what they feel is an adequate break-in for their weapon, depending on who made it. Regardless of what round count you use, run it wet (lube). I use the same measuring stick for pistols.
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    Three or four decades ago auto pistol shooters thought they had a keeper if a pistol would correctly function 99 out of 100 shots. Times have changed. The fact is that with a properly designed gas operated rifle shooting bottle necked cartridges out of a box magazine, malfunctions should be less than one per thousand, a lot less. In the last two years that I have been shooting black guns a lot, I can recall one malfunction, my SIG 556, the second shot failed to return to battery. I regarded it as an ill omen but a thousand rounds later, no more problems. In 9K or 10K 5.56 and 7.62, out of ARs, M1As, SCARS, and the SIG, not one other malfunction.

    Quote Originally Posted by GunnutAF View Post
    Gee I don't ever remember having to get to a certain round count before we could use a weapon to go to war?....
    I don't know but I'll bet the military will take a NIB rifle and issue it to a soldier or Marine who will take it straight into combat with no more that a few sighters.

    I think the question depends heavily on the rifle. I have an LMT DI upper that I haven't shot more than 100 times, I would depend on it because the design is well proven. I have a Kel Tec RFB that, despite having 6 or 7 hundred shots through, I am not confident in, because the design is not proven.
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    1000+ rounds for me to be considered reliable. That is with no additional cleaning after the initial cleaning. To be considered flawless? maybe a couple thousand rounds with 1000 or more shot rapid fire.

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    500 rounds seems to be an optimal number for me. For the simple fact that some of us simply can't afford to blow through 1k+ rounds unless at a class.

    Also, I do agree with some others here that quality does count for a lot. I mean, even if I put thousands of flawless rounds through a known subpar rifle, I'm still never going to trust it 100%.
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    Times change. Some would argue with the orginal M16's (after problems were fixed) it wasn't necessary. But, when every bubba and his sister can now build and market them to whatever specs they want then it becomes a necessity.

    Of course I wouldn't buy any bubba crap so I guess I do it for piece of mind and GP.

    Quote Originally Posted by GunnutAF View Post
    Gee I don't ever remember having to get to a certain round count before we could use a weapon to go to war? I don't remember any statndard round count for the weapons issued.



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    I lube it up good and shoot. My version of cleaning is alot different than others.

    Quote Originally Posted by eternal24k View Post
    i am assuming 500 with no re-lube/clean?



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    "flawless" are we talking about diamonds?

    A magazine fed weapon, esp an AR with thin disposable magazines, need be tested with the exact same magazines carried.

    a couple cycles tested:
    -full, inserted on a closed bolt & a locked to the rear bolt
    -tested with reduced spring tension of 5rd load

    I'll take an out of the box rifle, zero, test 10-15 magazines to go with it, and consider it gtg if no issues. Properly mount accessories, clean and lube for storage/transportation. It will take about 800 rds and and 1.5 hrs

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