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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Completely over their head....
    Maybe it was Civil Disobedience?

    If they did know, and they refused to allow their actions to be dictated by what some entity *might* do then I respect them in a way.

    If they didn't know...

    This actually forces the challenge in a Heller/ Rosa Parks sort of way. Look on the bright side of things- wouldn't it be nice if the "sporting clause" became obsolete terminology just like we used to call standard capacity mags "high capacity?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Your making my point for me. People were clueless as to what they were doing or what they were looking at.

    All one has to do is simply turn on the outdoor channel and see plenty of people with illegal firearms in competitive shooting.

    Not going to happen.
    Not really. I have a 922r compliant Tromix Saiga. I've also made922r compliant FAL's on Imbel kits. I understand 922r quite well. I asked you where you saw these illegal guns at an IDPA match. You didn't respond to my question. You're blaming my sport and I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I am asking you to give an example of where you or the BATFE have observed illegal guns at an IDPA match. Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    I understand 922r quite well.

    Obviously you didn't when you had to ask about the 2005 shotgun magazine rule and Todd.K had to correct you.
    Last edited by scottryan; 01-29-11 at 09:34.
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    It is obvious some people don't want to believe what is happening, aren't smart enough to understand it, or think they are going to fight it.

    They have their head in a hole like an ostrich. Completely delusional.

    With this ruling, it sets a precedent which the ATF can ban any imported item they want.

    Magazines for any foreign pistol like your SIG, Glock, HK, or Beretta.

    Magazines for the FAL, AK, HK91, SCAR etc.

    No more rails on your Glock pistol

    No more pistols with threaded barrels.

    Imported pistols that are physically blocked to take a high cap magazine and only take a proprietary 10 round magazine. Imported rifles are already like this.

    Firearms that are black in color so we have to make them blue or green like the SIG550s in Canada.

    Wake Up.
    Last edited by scottryan; 01-29-11 at 09:47.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    It is obvious some people don't want to believe what is happening, aren't smart enough to understand it, or think they are going to fight it.

    They have their head in a hole like an ostrich. Completely delusional.

    With this ruling, it sets a precedent which the ATF can ban any imported item they want.

    Magazines for any foreign pistol like your SIG, Glock, HK, or Beretta.

    Magazines for the FAL, AK, HK91, SCAR etc.

    No more rails on your Glock pistol

    No more pistols with threaded barrels.

    Imported pistols that are physically blocked to take a high cap magazine and only take a proprietary 10 round magazine. Imported rifles are already like this.

    Firearms that are black in color so we have to make them blue or green like the SIG550s in Canada.

    Wake Up.
    I agree with you on all of the above.

    There NEEDS to be a challenge to 925(d)(3) of GCA '68.

    They may have reached too far on this one.

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    I thinks its fair to say this is just the beginning of the Obama Admin. bypassing the legislature with regulations by various government agencies. Wait until he starts with the Executive Orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    wouldn't it be nice if the "sporting clause" became obsolete

    I agree but the sporting clause won't go away.

    If it did, half the gun control in the US would go away and that isn't going to happen.
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    This is what happens when you give the judicial branch interpretation powers to the executive branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Obviously you didn't when you had to ask about the 2005 shotgun magazine rule and Todd.K had to correct you.
    You're incorrect. I didn't ask and he didn't need to explain 922r rules to me (but thanks for the clarification Todd).

    All I've ever asked here is which illegal guns are being used IDPA matches and to cite samples, which you appear to be refusing to do. If you fail to answer that simple question, then you argument has little merit. All you have to do is show where your position is supported by facts, rather than conjecture.

    Are you willing to do that now that I'm asking for a third time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    How do you figure that when people are using current production Benelli M2s with magazines that stick past the muzzle?

    There is no way to make an M2 compliant because US compliant parts don't exist for it.
    Not saying you're wrong, but that has made me think. Benelli and Winchester both employ exhibition shooters that violate US law on an almost daily basis? (Tom Knapp and Tim Bradley with their M2s, Novas, and Supernovas with extended tubes, and Patrick Flanigan with his SXP with extended tube.)

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