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Thread: No more Saiga shotguns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Your making my point for me. People were clueless as to what they were doing or what they were looking at.

    All one has to do is simply turn on the outdoor channel and see plenty of people with illegal firearms in competitive shooting.





    Not going to happen.

    I think there is an excellent chance you can get the SP clause removes in a lawsuit. It is very legalistically 'vague'. There is no definition of what exactly constitutes a 'sproting purpose' in the 68 GCA.
    Last edited by Heavy Metal; 01-28-11 at 19:02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    ...unless you get the parts count under 10, then you can put whatever you want.
    Not if you can't import the shotgun in the first place.


    My guess, they will say it's modified from a pistol grip military design.

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    There are some really interesting perspectives on this thread.

    Must we really speculate who's fault it is? IDPA org's, IDPA competitors, bubbah with his wraithmaker 20?

    I particularly found the, "These should cost $2K argument" intriguing...

    Do we really think they have, or even need, a reason to target certain designs?

    It's the government... they're not very bright, but if they interpret their purpose as "trying to curtail firearms freedom" then it becomes a competition to see who can do the biggest cannonball...

    My personal feeling is that they're unaffected by letters, and that the "Gun Rights Organizations" aren't doing the right things, or enough of them.

    Fighting them in court is incredibly costly, and they have unlimited resources and they own the game... but what we have is the United States Constitution.

    They know it's completely cost prohibitive to step in the ring with them, but they also know they are guaranteed to lose. I will give my money directly to the cases, as many as they wish to bring, before I give to NRA, GOA, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    All one has to do is simply turn on the outdoor channel and see plenty of people with illegal firearms in competitive shooting.

    Not going to happen.
    And then there was Christopher Columbus who DIDN'T think the world was flat. Sometimes people need to be optimistic and not always pessimistic.

    For 3gun I shoot a FN SLP Mk1, from the factory it can hold 8 rounds in the mag plus 1 in the chamber for capacity. Not all 3gunners are breaking the law. Some shoot FNs, some shoot US made guns like Rem 1100s or Mossberg 930SPXs. Are there people who have illegally configured guns?, sure and most of those aren't really 'gun people' and are ignorant of the stupid law. This doesn't make right but it's just an observation.
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    Realistically the law is very hard to enforce, possession is not illegal just the making part. For all we know those competition shotguns are 922r compliant with enough US parts.

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    For what it's worth, the NRA has a press release on this, along with some contact info for comments to the ATF at the bottom of the article.

    NRA Release

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    I personally know 4 people that fall into the "bubba" category or the "average gun owner" category that went and got a Saiga with magazines over five rounds.

    They have no clue there is such thing as the import ban which must be complied with.

    When I told them all about this, all I got was full retard.

    Completely over their head....
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    Many people still have them but those shotgun drums are actually illegal in VA. Under the same law that banned the Striker 12 in VA. "spring loaded drum mag" is what the law reads IIRC.
    This only applies if you have a folding stock.
    Heres the actual Virginia Code:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+18.2-308.8

    § 18.2-308.8. Importation, sale, possession or transfer of Striker 12's prohibited; penalty.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, possess or transfer the following firearms: the Striker 12, commonly called a "streetsweeper," or any semi-automatic folding stock shotgun of like kind with a spring tension drum magazine capable of holding twelve shotgun shells. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    Must we really speculate who's fault it is? IDPA org's, IDPA competitors, bubbah with his wraithmaker 20?

    .

    All are to blame.

    Competition shooting

    Bubba

    Places like Scheels and Cabelas also share the blame for selling American mag extensions for Benellis when there is no legal way to use this item other than being a Title 1 dealer sample.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    For all we know those competition shotguns are 922r compliant with enough US parts.

    How do you figure that when people are using current production Benelli M2s with magazines that stick past the muzzle?

    There is no way to make an M2 compliant because US compliant parts don't exist for it.
    Last edited by scottryan; 01-28-11 at 23:20.
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