Video surfaces with Hughes/86 ban procedure in committee

[Coleslaw]

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[Coleslaw]

I am not terribly surprised by this. I read elsewhere that there was alot of opposition to any repeal by those who currently have said NFA items.

They are putting the value of their particular weapons over the furtherment of the the cause.

Whoooa, I don't believe that is true. I don't doubt there may be a few newer douschebags that had some money and got into it because of the 'cool' factor but primarily to make money. Only to make money like some manipulate and/or speculate oil, stocks, real estate, or whatever. I know a few and some of you guys may have seen their websites.

The true NFA guys, the collectors, dealers, and manufacturers I have known for decades would fully and absolutely support a repeal. That is a false assumption that collections would be deminshed because all the cool old stuff would remain cool and old. It won't be made again.

Guys spread poison like that I think primarily out of envy because they don't have the stuff they would like to have. So if they don't have it, screw the guy that does. Kinda like class warfare/envy the Democrats perpetuate. The haves versus the have nots.

Newer stuff, who cares, because it will be available w/o an LE demo letter, so no deminshment in value!! If you are currently making it, then outstanding, more to go around. Everybody can get one.

[Iraqgunz]

I don't know how true it is, but I recall reading it somewhere. Honestly I can believe it to a point. Imagine if you had a large collection and suddenly overnight the value dropped.

Human nature says that people want to protect their investments.

Whoooa, I don't believe that is true. I don't doubt there may be a few newer douschebags that had some money and got into it because of the 'cool' factor but primarily to make money. Only to make money like some manipulate and/or speculate oil, stocks, real estate, or whatever. I know a few and some of you guys may have seen their websites.

The true NFA guys, the collectors, dealers, and manufacturers I have known for decades would fully and absolutely support a repeal. That is a false assumption that collections would be deminshed because all the cool old stuff would remain cool and old. It won't be made again.

Guys spread poison like that I think primarily out of envy because they don't have the stuff they would like to have. So if they don't have it, screw the guy that does. Kinda like class warfare/envy the Democrats perpetuate. The haves versus the have nots.

Newer stuff, who cares, because it will be available w/o an LE demo letter, so no deminshment in value!! If you are currently making it, then outstanding, more to go around. Everybody can get one.

[fhpchris]

I don't know how true it is, but I recall reading it somewhere. Honestly I can believe it to a point. Imagine if you had a large collection and suddenly overnight the value dropped.

Human nature says that people want to protect their investments.

I know I would not be the only one after building a MP44 or and older belt fed(MG42/RPD), and the like

[Coleslaw]

I don't know how true it is, but I recall reading it somewhere. Honestly I can believe it to a point. Imagine if you had a large collection and suddenly overnight the value dropped.

Human nature says that people want to protect their investments.

There may be some element of that for sure, those are guys I don't and won't hang around. I don't like shelfish pompous needledicks. I think it is very minor group though compared to the enthusiasts that could and would purchase things that they normally could not because of costs. Iwish guys on this board didn't have to SBR and AR15 and could buy M16's for $1200 or whatever posties go for now.

When I alluded to the fact the mindset was different in the 1980's when the bill first passed, mg ownership wasn't that big of a deal. I mean, stuff was cheap relative to what you pay now. See if you can dig up some old Shotgun News or Gun List adds, you will shit.

It wasn't until quite a bit later that prices started to climb. Like everything else, during the good times as the economy rocked, you had more and more people with money that had allot of cash laying around and looking to spend it. I saw more guys that never owned a firearm putting tens of thousands of dollars and more into NFA stuff. Many of these guys never had a callus on their hand, never did a days work, stockbrokers, lawyers, corporate mangagers. There were corporations starting up everywhere for the sole purpose of purchasing NFA. Kinda sucked in some respects, the yuppie assholes getting into it. Look at what happend with Harley Davidson. Same thing.

Some guys would lose a few bucks, but the upside would be they could make it up with new stuff. The old stuff though, the C&R stuff, nothing can touch it. They don't make 1967 tri-power Vettes, ZL1 Camaros, Shelby Cobras, Lugers, Thompsons, Singer and USS 1911's etc, etc, etc. any longer. You see where I am going.

[Overtaker]

Here is a case I was able to dig up:



Farmer vs. Higgins (11th Circuit)




Guy tried to sue the ATF using the logic I used above that owning a machine gun made after May 86 was still under the authority of a department of the US. District court sided in Farmer's favor and gave the ATF 30 days to approve his permit.


Circuit court reversed their decision based on the grounds that banning private ownership of machine guns made after May 86 was Congress' intent, and cited numerous statements made by representatives and senators.


NRA appealed circuit court decision to SCOTUS but they declined to hear the case. I wonder how that denial would play out in the future if 922O was challenged again considering there is already one appeal that was denied.

That precedent only exists in the Eleventh Circuit (Alabama, Georgia, and Florida).

[BWT]

What can we do, who can we contact?

ETA: Who do I write a check to? If they got the balls to go for it, I'll give them atleast the same $35 I gave the NRA for an annual membership. AT LEAST.

[SteyrAUG]

Look at this comment one user posted on the video...

I work for autoweapons, good luck going anywhere with this and ruining things for everyone. Yeah, let's have some poor crybabies who can't afford pre-86 MGs destroy the investments and livelyhoods of other Americans. Wonderful. This will more likely result in a full ban instead of opening the registry. Do you really want thugs to be able to afford a m16?

What a ****head.

My investment is more important than your freedoms is exactly the same kind of thinking that got us into this mess. The fact that he said it on arfcom is pretty much a guarantee that nobody will buy from him ever, thus negating many of his investments.

And I'd gladly take the financial hit to be able to buy new MGs.

[Belmont31R]

That precedent only exists in the Eleventh Circuit (Alabama, Georgia, and Florida).

Yes but an appeal of that decision was denied to even be heard from SCOTUS.



Another may angle may work as they chose not to hear the case based on the arguments that were made in the 2 lower courts.

[SteyrAUG]

There may be some element of that for sure, those are guys I don't and won't hang around. I don't like shelfish pompous needledicks. I think it is very minor group though compared to the enthusiasts that could and would purchase things that they normally could not because of costs. Iwish guys on this board didn't have to SBR and AR15 and could buy M16's for $1200 or whatever posties go for now.

Unfortunately it's way more common than we'd like to think. I can't count the number of times I've heard similar sentiments from long time, "respected" NFA collectors. It is truly disappointing. I can live with the fact that some of the "big boys" would hate to take a hit, I can understand that. But for any "gun guy" to actively oppose the repeal and stand with "the other side", that I can't understand...or condone.

I've never bought a firearm as an "investment." No part of my personal collection has ever been about making money. In fact the worst thing that can happen is one of my firearms triples in value, cause then I might be inclined to sell it. And that isn't why I bought it.