I don't think you really understood what I wrote....
I'll add to clarify that those 9-12 pellets are delivered with a single pull of the trigger ....the carbine user will need 9 to 12 pulls of the trigger to equal. As a home defense weapon, within HD distances, the 12g gives up little to nothing to the carbine no matter how much of a fan of the carbine you are.
Last edited by streck; 05-02-12 at 15:11.
Daniel
Never send a nail to do a screw's job.
I understand your argument and its an old one brought up quite a bit. However each one of those pellets is far weaker and provides far less terminal performance potential than a single .223 round even ball. Your implying that since the 12 gauge delivers 9 to 12 projectiles per trigger pull its 9 to 12 times more effective and that is false. While buckshot does have good terminal ballistics its not the equal of 9 to 12 .223 rounds not even close. In fact I would rather have a good .223 or 5.56 load to use over any buck shot load given the choice. Buckshot is very effective at close range before the pattern has had much time to spread. As it spreads it becomes exponetially less effective as the pellets act more as individual projectiles on their own.
pat
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Pat,
You did not read what I wrote.
Daniel
Never send a nail to do a screw's job.
You can not have read:
and....all pellets are delivered within a few inches at home defense ranges.
then post:As a home defense weapon, within HD distances, the 12g gives up little to nothing to the carbine....
while stating I am wrong or have erroneous reasoning.Buckshot is very effective at close range before the pattern has had much time to spread. As it spreads it becomes exponetially less effective as the pellets act more as individual projectiles on their own.
Last edited by streck; 05-02-12 at 16:19.
Daniel
Never send a nail to do a screw's job.
Serving as a LEO since 1999.
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Armorer for AR15, 1911, Glocks and Remington 870 shotguns.
"In the end, it is not about the hardware, it's about the "software". Amateurs talk about hardware (equipment), professionals talk about software (training and mental readiness)" Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. On Combat
You don't have agree.
But I like to think that putting more projectiles per trigger pull into a bad guy at close range is better than one. And it seems that the ballistics forum of this site backs up that opinion (though my opinion is not based on it): LINK
From a pure wound trauma standpoint on a shot against unarmored soft tissue, a close range hit from a 12 ga shotgun using buckshot will create more damage than any 5.56 mm projectile
If I were a police officer on patrol, I would prefer the carbine as well if I could only have one. But inside my house, I am very comfortable and confident in a 3" 00B 12g.
Last edited by streck; 05-02-12 at 18:26.
Daniel
Never send a nail to do a screw's job.
Serving as a LEO since 1999.
USPSA# A56876 A Class
Firearms Instructor
Armorer for AR15, 1911, Glocks and Remington 870 shotguns.
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