The Defensive Shotgun; How we make it work--MilCopp Blog

[Alaskapopo]

I find the comments interesting about the shotgun holding 6-9 rounds being a limitation compared to the 30 of the carbine without acknowledging that the OOB shotshell holds 9 (or 12 in the 3") .33 caliber pellets. With most, and especially the Federal Flight Control, ammo, all pellets are delivered within a few inches at home defense ranges.
That means my 6 round shotgun delivers 54 projectiles if loaded with 2 3/4" OOB or 72 if loading 3".

Comparable projectile quantity and delivery can't be matched by the carbine.

And, yes, I am framing this around defending within the home so shots beyond 30ish feet are not a factor.

Yea and each of those pellets is weaker than a .32 ACP nor can the be used on more than one threat.

[streck]

Yea and each of those pellets is weaker than a .32 ACP nor can the be used on more than one threat.

I don't think you really understood what I wrote....

I'll add to clarify that those 9-12 pellets are delivered with a single pull of the trigger ....the carbine user will need 9 to 12 pulls of the trigger to equal. As a home defense weapon, within HD distances, the 12g gives up little to nothing to the carbine no matter how much of a fan of the carbine you are.

[Alaskapopo]

I don't think you really understood what I wrote....

I'll add that those 9-12 pellets are delivered with a single pull of the trigger ....the carbine user will need 9 to 12 pulls of the trigger to equal. As a home defense weapon, within HD distancesthe 12g gives up little to nothing to the carbine no matter how much of a fan of the carbine you are.

I understand your argument and its an old one brought up quite a bit. However each one of those pellets is far weaker and provides far less terminal performance potential than a single .223 round even ball. Your implying that since the 12 gauge delivers 9 to 12 projectiles per trigger pull its 9 to 12 times more effective and that is false. While buckshot does have good terminal ballistics its not the equal of 9 to 12 .223 rounds not even close. In fact I would rather have a good .223 or 5.56 load to use over any buck shot load given the choice. Buckshot is very effective at close range before the pattern has had much time to spread. As it spreads it becomes exponetially less effective as the pellets act more as individual projectiles on their own.
pat

[streck]

Pat,
You did not read what I wrote.

[Alaskapopo]

Pat,
You did not read what I wrote.

Yes yes I did I just don't agree with your reasoning.
Pat

[streck]

You can not have read:

....all pellets are delivered within a few inches at home defense ranges.

and

As a home defense weapon, within HD distances, the 12g gives up little to nothing to the carbine....

then post:

Buckshot is very effective at close range before the pattern has had much time to spread. As it spreads it becomes exponetially less effective as the pellets act more as individual projectiles on their own.

while stating I am wrong or have erroneous reasoning.

[Alaskapopo]

You can not have read:



and



then post:



while stating I am wrong or have erroneous reasoning.

Your stating that the shotgun shoots 8 to 12 pellets per shot in a small area at home defense distances and that some how makes it superior to a carbine. I don't agree.
Pat

[rickp]

Your stating that the shotgun shoots 8 to 12 pellets per shot in a small area at home defense distances and that some how makes it superior to a carbine. I don't agree.
Pat

I'm curious, does anyone have any reference material on this statement? Not that one weapon system is superior to the other but the lethality or terminal ballistics of a 8 or 9 pellet 00 buck round is any more or less damaging than a 5.56 round at HD distances.

[streck]

Your stating that the shotgun shoots 8 to 12 pellets per shot in a small area at home defense distances and that some how makes it superior to a carbine. I don't agree.
Pat

You don't have agree.

But I like to think that putting more projectiles per trigger pull into a bad guy at close range is better than one. And it seems that the ballistics forum of this site backs up that opinion (though my opinion is not based on it): LINK

From a pure wound trauma standpoint on a shot against unarmored soft tissue, a close range hit from a 12 ga shotgun using buckshot will create more damage than any 5.56 mm projectile

If I were a police officer on patrol, I would prefer the carbine as well if I could only have one. But inside my house, I am very comfortable and confident in a 3" 00B 12g.

[Alaskapopo]