Refuse to send your kids to school in the ghetto = jail time.

[variablebinary]

People in this thread are seriously comparing property-tax subsidized public schools with segregation?

That dog just don't hunt friends.

Local schools are paid for and run by locals. Non-locals need to do what needs to be done to improve their own schools instead of foisting their problems off on others. These problems usually don't involve money ironically. The problem is cultural. Ghettos are ghettos not because of their physical location but because of the people living in them, the same can be said for schools in ghettos.

If you feel your children aren't being properly educated, you need to pony up your own chips and send your kid to a private school or home school them, not CHEAT and STEAL from the productivity of others. You DO have a choice.

You're wrong. More often than not the education money is pooled and distributed to districts based upon a board decision. If this were not the case, sparsely populated areas would be forced to have mud huts for schools compared to urban areas.

Ask your county for an audit of its educational dollars. Money will without a doubt have come from sources outside the county.

[kartoffel]

Bottom line, 'separate but equal' is already unconstitutional. It is only a matter of getting this particular case in front of the Court. The will be no less a game changer than Brown v Board of Ed.

Not to worry. Public school districts are neither separate nor equal. All are held to certain minimum standards. Beyond that, it's up to the state, local school boards, and their taxpayer-fueled budgets to determine how to go beyond meeting the minimum standards.

School districts in the ghetto have to contend with higher crime rates, broken children from broken families, and weaker tax bases. Usually the state makes up for the funding difference through grants, and these schools typically meet the bare minimum standards.

Better public school districts generally have better demographics. This isn't about race. It's simply children who are healthy and motivated, coming from families who support them and contribute more in the way of taxes per child.

Busing is bullshit, unless the neighboring districts compensate each other accordingly. Suppose district A spends $10 per student, while district B spends $6 per student (the numbers are made up... just bear with me). So the kids in district B want to get bussed to district A so they can have AP classes or jazz band or whatever else the fancy district offers. If the bussing takes place, the taxpayers in district B owe district A $10 per child, which is $4 more than they'd have spent if the kids went to their own school.

Bottom line: there ain't no such thing as a free lunch, and cheating is wrong.

[500grains]

And let's not turn this in black school vs white school thing. It's a urban vs suburban issue and the sociology in these areas.

The demographics are mere facts. Urban = black schools the vast majority of the time.

[Belmont31R]

Here school districts have taxing authority so the money they get is directly from the people they serve. We don't have state income taxes so everything is paid for via sales taxes and property taxes.



I pay about 3k a year in property taxes, and about 50%-65% of that is from the school district.



As far as lying to send your kid to another district....here that would be theft because you aren't paying into that district yet still getting services. Its not a big pool where the district gets money from the state and not directly from the citizens. Like I said...here the districts have taxing authority. I think they do get some state tax dollars but most of the money comes from locals.



I also don't like sports being paid for by the schools (and thus the people). We're talking about a handful of kids who live in the city getting millions spent on them to throw a ball around. This district we are in has spent over 45 million in the last 3 years on two football stadiums yet the program my kids are in now is supposed to get defunded from the state. Im not sure if that means they'll cut the program or the district will keep it going despite the cuts from state. Its a pre-k early learning program for kids with speech issues. If they are spending over 45 million on sports stadiums and cut this program Ill be ****ing pissed. The amount of waste in districts is really astounding while useful programs get cut before the sports ever will.

[SteyrAUG]

Ultimately the solution is not to send your kids to this school or that school but to make ALL schools a safer environment.

That means we need to shitcan all the "get them off the streets" programs which were naively intended to make "bad kids" into "good kids" and get back to getting the "bad kids" out of the schools so they are a safe haven for the "good kids."

Of course this means we have to be willing to call all the bad kids "bad kids" and put them in jail as necessary. And most people aren't willing to do that.

[Belmont31R]

Ultimately the solution is not to send your kids to this school or that school but to make ALL schools a safer environment.

That means we need to shitcan all the "get them off the streets" programs which were naively intended to make "bad kids" into "good kids" and get back to getting the "bad kids" out of the schools so they are a safe haven for the "good kids."

Of course this means we have to be willing to call all the bad kids "bad kids" and put them in jail as necessary. And most people aren't willing to do that.

In the district I went to we had a bad kids school. If anyone had any serious disciplinary problems they yanked them out and sent them there. The parents would be responsible for transporting them.


Im not sure how this district we are in now does it but you're right...if there are problem kids they don't need to be bringing down the rest of the students, causing issues, and influencing otherwise good kids.

[Armati]

Some of you guys are horribly miss-informed on how schools are paid for.

Your school budget comes from a combination of Federal, state, and local taxes. Look at your state general fund budget for education. Most states will give you a handy pie chart to show just how the schools are paid for.

I am pretty sure there is not a school district in the country that could survive without Federal funding. Again, nothing is being stolen from you that wasn't already 'stolen' from someone else. Everyone has to pay property tax but not everyone has kids. Why should a single gay man with no kids pay property tax so your kids can go to school?

Now, I am all for the ending of the Department of Education and Federal education subsidies to states! I think every American should be paying about 2-3x the property tax they currently pay.

[rickrock305]

Everyone has to pay property tax but not everyone has kids. Why should a single gay man with no kids pay property tax so your kids can go to school?

IMO schooling is one of those areas where we should ALL be ponying up money, regardless if we have kids or not. Because in schools we are supposed to be teaching our kids science, math, etc., and preparing them for the real world and higher education, so they can get good jobs and invent things and come up with the next scientific discovery for the world to depend on, which in turn leads to a better and more prosperous country for us all so that we all benefit.

Now the argument could be made that schools are currently doing a piss poor job of that, and I completely agree. But I don't think thats an excuse to completely defund them all by removing education subsidies. I would gladly pay more taxes if I was sure that money would be going to schools. Unfortunately it seems as though school boards would rather build football stadiums and pay themselves high salaries instead of buying books and computers for the kids.

[kartoffel]

Ultimately the solution is not to send your kids to this school or that school but to make ALL schools a safer environment.

That means we need to shitcan all the "get them off the streets" programs which were naively intended to make "bad kids" into "good kids" and get back to getting the "bad kids" out of the schools so they are a safe haven for the "good kids."

Of course this means we have to be willing to call all the bad kids "bad kids" and put them in jail as necessary. And most people aren't willing to do that.

When I was a kid I saw districts try to "solve" that problem by sending trouble kids off to the vocational-technical (vo-tech) high school. That resulted in a generation of white collar kids who turned up their noses at working an honest blue collar trade and (perhaps unconsciously) associated manual labor with being a delinquent lowlife. In other words, massive failure

[SteyrAUG]

When I was a kid I saw districts try to "solve" that problem by sending trouble kids off to the vocational-technical (vo-tech) high school. That resulted in a generation of white collar kids who turned up their noses at working an honest blue collar trade and (perhaps unconsciously) associated manual labor with being a delinquent lowlife. In other words, massive failure

Yeah, that was a bad idea too.

I was thinking of something more along the lines of a correctional facility with classes. If they manage to pass those classes they have an education, if they don't then they graduate directly the adult jail.