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    Quote Originally Posted by DayneA View Post
    Seems like it could be annoying in certain situations to have to drop the mag every time you wanted to hold the bolt back.
    I don't think you understand how this lower works. You *can* lock the bolt to the rear by holding in on the magazine release button and pulling back the charging handle, but the lower also maintains the legacy functionality of the paddle on the left side so you could lock the bolt to the rear the standard way.

    Although as I sit here just halfway into my morning coffee I can't think of a reason I'd want or need to lock the bolt to the rear with a magazine in the gun that wasn't stuck there by a doublefeed. For administrative clearing you'd eject the magazine and stow it, and leave your right hand exactly where it is. After your left hand stows the magazine it would move to the charging handle where it would pull back as the right booger-picker presses in on the button, locking the bolt to the rear as the left hand eases it forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DayneA View Post
    That’s interesting that you would put the BAD on an already (supposedly) ambi lower. I guess that just shows how useful the bolt hold open abilities and versatility of the BAD really are. I actually toyed with throwing one on the Spikes biohazard I was planning to buy just because the lower has so many other cool features. In sight of recent info I think I'll be waiting for the AXTS v2 to come out. On that note, can anyone see any downside to the bolt hold being combined with the mag release? Seems like it could be annoying in certain situations to have to drop the mag every time you wanted to hold the bolt back. On the other hand, you are removing added steps from clearing double feeds and therefore saving valuable time in a tactical situation.
    If you don't want to drop the mag when wanting to lock the bolt to the rear on the AXTS A-DAC you can use the bolt catch on the left side of the lower like all other lowers. I can't for the lift of me thing why one would ever do this but it's capable of that.
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    I started out with a DD AR and slowly modified it, one of the mods being a BAD lever. I then built a light weight "stock" AR. It was just not the same going from a rifle with a BAD to one without. I now have 3 ARs: 2 in 5.56 and 1 in 6.8. All of them have Magpul BAD levers on them. The BAD lever is one of my favorite, as well as cheapest, add-ons I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robb Jensen View Post
    I have a KAC ambi lower on my SR15E3 and a Lancer lower on my 3gun rifle. I really like both. I use a Magpul BAD Lever on my KAC lower and was using a Phase 5 Tactical lever on my Lancer because a BAD didn't fit correctly. I ended up removing the Phase 5 because it would sometimes prevent the bolt from locking back.
    For someone wanting a true ambi lower I'd say wait for the A-DAC lower from AXTS. It's very worth the wait.

    And by true ambi lower I mean one that has a safety lever on each side of the gun. One that can be used to lock and release the bolt from either side of the gun as well as can be used to drop the mag from either side of the gun.
    Robb is that system proprietary or could other ARs get retrofitted for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M4Fundi View Post
    Robb is that system proprietary or could other ARs get retrofitted for that?
    The A-DAC is proprietary but only adds one part. There is a rod that's between the mag catch button and the bolt catch. The different mag catch button is used instead of a USGI type on and modification to existing lowers just isn't cost effective.
    Some lowers couldn't be modified anyway. A KAC ambi lower and Lancer lower have stuff in the way (right side bolt release) so it isn't possible for the AXTS right side bolt catch through the mag catch couldn't work on those lowers anyway.
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    The BAD lever is a great tool for right-handers. However, in my experience, over time they tend to get loose. On one of my lowers, you can shake it and the BAD rattles. No joke. I am looking to replace mine with a phase 5 one-piece or TLink or something else I haven't seen yet that will hopefully stay tight.

    Looking forward to trying something else.

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    Two comments: First, I've had a BAD on my SBR for a while, using it as a fun-gun and some training. I just completed a precision type AR, and put a BAD on it (because I had an extra sitting in a drawer for about 6 months). Now, I'm positive that I'll be putting a BAD on my work rifle this weekend. I knew I liked it, but wasn't sure. Now I REALLY like it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertime View Post
    The BAD lever is a great tool for right-handers. However, in my experience, over time they tend to get loose. On one of my lowers, you can shake it and the BAD rattles. No joke. I am looking to replace mine with a phase 5 one-piece or TLink or something else I haven't seen yet that will hopefully stay tight.

    Looking forward to trying something else.

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    My first BAD rattled immediately upon installation. It was easily and permanently fixed by putting a bit of Loctite Repair Extreme glue on the paddle and installing the BAD over it.

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    If I have a choice, definitely a purpose built lower designed with fully ambidextrous controls, instead of add ons.

    Some of these add on/retrofit parts work very well, some are so well thought out they seem a part of the platform. I have mixed feelings about BAD. It attaches to the bolt stop that was never meant to carry more than its own weight, certainly not a screw on long lever that extends down the receiver and comes out the other side. If it's loose, I'd understand. The bolt catch moves a little bit when sandwiched between the receiver's two anchors, this movement becomes more pronounced when a long lever is attached.

    It certainly works, it's simple and effective, but does have a few shortcomings, given the design constraints.

    A receiver that already has all the features built in won't have the look and feel of a BMW M3 badge on a Nissan. I firmly believe that the existing receivers without ambidextrous controls will soon be things we collect for old times sake.

    Many ambidextrous receivers don't qualify as fully ambidextrous. Having a right side bolt release does not make a receiver ambidextrous.

    The AXTS AX556 and AX762 receivers are the only ones that can call themselves fully ambidextrous
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    If you are interested in a dedicated 100% ambi lower, ETA , Pricing and additional info on the AX556 is now up on our website. http://axtsweapons.com
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    AX556 Available for pre-order!

    We are very pleased to announce that we are working on our first retail run of AX556’s that will ship on October 3rd. Our website will accept pre-orders for the AX556 at 8:00 AM Pacific Standard Time on Saturday, September 3rd. To give as many people as possible the opportunity to get an AX556 sooner than later we will be limiting the order quantity to 1 per customer for the initial production run.

    For those of you whose orders make the first run your card will be charged a 50% deposit shortly after your order is placed (this is to help us determine the number of committed buyers for the first run so we know how many to machine). The remaining balance will be charged to your card when your order ships. For those of you whose orders don’t make the first run we’ll be charging your card for the full amount due when your order ships.

    We are offering $20 off every lower receiver BAD ASS selector combo. So whether you order an AX556, A-DAC-F or any number of both you get the discount for each combo.

    We have implemented quite a number of design changes improving ergonomics after a lengthy test period and input from many industry professionals. Check out the product page for images of the final design REV.
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    Last edited by axtsweapons; 09-03-11 at 19:41.
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