Multiculturalism has failed, says French president

[HES]

Absolutely! Why is this so hard for most to understand?

I dunno. Feelings of guilt? Maybe the guilt comes from the memory of past imperalism from a few hundred years ago? Maybe it comes from the knowledge that some societies are, relatively speaking, basically better off than others and they feel guilty over that?

[chadbag]

Having been stationed in Germany for several years the primary issue there is Turks. They build their own sub communities within the German towns/cities, and don't want to be 'German' in language or culture. They want their own little Turkey right in Germany.

Yes, the Turks are probably #1 in Germany. To a lesser extent Balkan and Eastern European groups in some areas.

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What people need to understand is that there is no problem keeping your "home country" culture in your family. My wife tries to speak Japanese to our kids, and we eat a lot of Japanese style foods and Japanese toys and stuff. But our kids have English as #1 (easier in our family since I don't speak Japanese :-) ) and are Americans by identity.

I grew up with Norwegian Christmas traditions (as modified over a few generations of our family). But my ancestors tried to assimilate into the culture and went as far as to forbid Norwegian speaking at home (for my grandparents and their siblings) so as to encourage the learning of English.


Lots of Chinese, Cubans, etc do assimilate and try hard to become American, while still holding dear their home country culture at home. But of course there are many that don't and retreat into their little-COUNTRY communities wherever they are, which is too bad.

But trying to force multi-culturalism through government decree and force will never work. If some people willingly do not assimilate, they will suffer the consequences. To encourage whole groups not to assimilate is failure.

[Hmac]

And I think it is pretty obvious who the problem is.

I don't he's the problem...he's just the current, most prominent poster boy for the problem. He didn't make the problem, he just made the problem bigger.

I've been having to "press 1 for english" since long before Obama took office.

[chadbag]

I don't he's the problem...he's just the current, most prominent poster boy for the problem. He didn't make the problem, he just made the problem bigger.

I've been having to "press 1 for english" since long before Obama took office.

I don't think SteyrAUG was talking about a specific person when he said "It is pretty obvious who the problem is" but I could be wrong. I took it differently.

[Hmac]

I don't think SteyrAUG was talking about a specific person when he said "It is pretty obvious who the problem is" but I could be wrong. I took it differently.

You could be right. I just continue to have this image in my brain. Like a small, jagged rock in my boot.

[GermanSynergy]

Ah yes. My aunt works in a hospital in Germany, and she's met many "Germans" who speak no German, want nothing to do with the culture, yet they demand gold plated medical care ASAP.

Many of them claim to be of German origin (my guess is they went East when Catherine the Great was still around, and recently "returned" to DE for the lavish entitlements)



We refused to sell my grandfather's house to a Russian because he made it clear he wanted to turn it into a brothel.

Germany has a relatively new problem to go along with their Turkish "guest worker" concerns: the Russians. An influx from the East in recent years has brought with it a considerable (by German standards) amount of overt criminal involvement.

AC

[kal]

Many who immigrate right here in the US set up there own communities and fail/refuse to assimilate, for what ever reason

Fear of rejection maybe?

All I know is that this multiculturalism shit is nothing but trouble.

All this "be proud of who you are" bullshit is the cause of bigotry and racism in this country.

How can you be proud of something you had no choice in......

[Smuckatelli]

What people need to understand is that there is no problem keeping your "home country" culture in your family. My wife tries to speak Japanese to our kids, and we eat a lot of Japanese style foods and Japanese toys and stuff. But our kids have English as #1 (easier in our family since I don't speak Japanese :-) ) and are Americans by identity.

My wife became a US Citizen 11 months after we married, it was quicker in Southern California than getting a green card.

The thing that the swearing in official told all of them at that time was to bring your cultures into the US, don't limit it to only your immediate family but to always remember that they are Citizens of the United States.

[Business_Casual]

I don't think some of you understand what multi-culti means in political terms. It isn't assimilation it is giving power to minority groups for fear of being called a racist. The groups then get special favors for their ethnicity that are not available to the majority race. For instance, set asides or admission quotas.

B_C

[chadbag]

I don't think some of you understand what multi-culti means in political terms. It isn't assimilation it is giving power to minority groups for fear of being called a racist. The groups then get special favors for their ethnicity that are not available to the majority race. For instance, set asides or admission quotas.

B_C

That is just the political effect. It boils back to "keep your culture and be a separate group -- no need to assimilate". This idea is then enforced and promoted through what you describe.