Multiculturalism has failed, says French president

[Smuckatelli]

I don't think some of you understand what multi-culti means in political terms. It isn't assimilation it is giving power to minority groups for fear of being called a racist. The groups then get special favors for their ethnicity that are not available to the majority race. For instance, set asides or admission quotas.

B_C

That sounds like affirmative action, not multi-culti.

[SteyrAUG]

I dunno. Feelings of guilt? Maybe the guilt comes from the memory of past imperalism from a few hundred years ago? Maybe it comes from the knowledge that some societies are, relatively speaking, basically better off than others and they feel guilty over that?

Well American has never been "imperialist", I'm not aware of any American "colonies" in the last two centuries and we don't keep territory our military has liberated.

And I can't understand the logic of feeling guilty that our culture is a better one, especially to the extent of letting it be supplanted by an inferior one.

Of course the globalist "all the same" mentality never had much to do with logic in the first place.

[SteyrAUG]

I don't he's the problem...he's just the current, most prominent poster boy for the problem. He didn't make the problem, he just made the problem bigger.

I've been having to "press 1 for english" since long before Obama took office.

I actually didn't mean Obama.

[SteyrAUG]

I don't think SteyrAUG was talking about a specific person when he said "It is pretty obvious who the problem is" but I could be wrong. I took it differently.

Correct, I was speaking of the "immigrant" who leaves his country due to it's faults and failures and then seeks to live the exact same kind of existence in the place where he seeks a better life.

[SteyrAUG]

Fear of rejection maybe?

All I know is that this multiculturalism shit is nothing but trouble.

All this "be proud of who you are" bullshit is the cause of bigotry and racism in this country.

How can you be proud of something you had no choice in......

Actually it is nothing more than the same failed mentality that makes the country they left inferior.

If you leave the third world, it doesn't matter where you go if you continue to live as if you are still in the third world. All you do in that instance is export the misery of the third world and inflict it upon your new homeland.

And pride is not the cause of bigotry and racism. The actual causes are usually being fed up with dealing with the worst of a given culture.

It's rather simple really, if every black person you know is of the crip and blood mentality you are likely to form a very specific opinion of black people. If every black person you know is of the Neil Tyson and Morgan Freeman variety your opinion of black people will be very different.

And of course the above is true for all peoples of all cultures and races.

Now if you see all people of a given race in a negative view, then you might be inclined to take pride in your race or culture. As for myself, I don't think it means much to take pride in something you had little or no control over and didn't contribute anything to make it so. So in that respect, I agree with you.

[SteyrAUG]

I don't think some of you understand what multi-culti means in political terms. It isn't assimilation it is giving power to minority groups for fear of being called a racist. The groups then get special favors for their ethnicity that are not available to the majority race. For instance, set asides or admission quotas.

B_C

BINGO.

[SteyrAUG]

That sounds like affirmative action, not multi-culti.

Affirmative action and similar laws are the result of political multiculturalism.

[Smuckatelli]

Affirmative action and similar laws are the result of political multiculturalism.

If politics only defined culture there wouldn't be issues with multiculturalism. To label culture as political completely misses what culture is and leads to legislation like affirmative action, similar laws and effectively puts blinders on the people and causes social unrest.

What do you feel effects culture?

We may be wrong but what we are pushing is:

Physical Environment
Economic Structure
Political Structure
Social Structure
Perspectives & Practices

Separate the five and attempt to look at only political, your assessment is going to be incomplete.

[HES]

Well American has never been "imperialist", I'm not aware of any American "colonies" in the last two centuries and we don't keep territory our military has liberated.

And I can't understand the logic of feeling guilty that our culture is a better one, especially to the extent of letting it be supplanted by an inferior one.

Of course the globalist "all the same" mentality never had much to do with logic in the first place.

Yeah but there are those who still see us as having been imperialistic in the past and up to today. For a past example they will look at our involvement in the Philippines and say that was imperialistic. Hell they will cite the proliferation of McDonald's and American - English words that have crept into other languages (e-mail, internet, etc..)

Mind you I do not agree with these numb nuts. Some folks are just plain into the whole self loathing game. It bewilders me just as much as it does you. But it's out there.

[SteyrAUG]

Yeah but there are those who still see us as having been imperialistic in the past and up to today. For a past example they will look at our involvement in the Philippines and say that was imperialistic. Hell they will cite the proliferation of McDonald's and American - English words that have crept into other languages (e-mail, internet, etc..)

Mind you I do not agree with these numb nuts. Some folks are just plain into the whole self loathing game. It bewilders me just as much as it does you. But it's out there.

And there are people who honestly believe the moon landings were a hoax. I wish we lived in a time and place where such people were safely ignored and shunned by all.

And of those who aren't simply truly ignorant, I think you will always find an anti US agenda at work. They will decry US imperialism with the examples you offered and at the same time think Russia was trying to rescue Afghanistan in 1979 and that the Hungarian revolt of the 1950s was justifiably put down.