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    Just my .02 I would get the BCM... it comes with the troy folding backup.... but what do I know... I have a Bushy A2... but I would buy a BCM 16" midlength...

    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...ategory%3DBCOM
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    where do people get these numbers? Who said anything about $2000+?
    +1, especially when he could have purchased a Daniel Defense XV for $950 or a S&W M&P15 for $850, both of which are superior to his Bushmaster. For around $1000 he could have purchased a BCM.

    For $2000, you can purchase a pretty amazing AR, like one with all the goodies from Knight's Armament or Noveske.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinSomeLoseNone View Post
    So for my next rifle what would you recommend. I have always liked LMT... not to informed about BCM products. whats going to get me the best bang for my buck under $1300.00
    This to upgrade as you like: https://policeguns.com/catalog/produ...ckinm2h2gf7bl1

    This is right at your budget: https://policeguns.com/catalog/produ...ckinm2h2gf7bl1

    Or if you can push the budget a bit you can get this: https://policeguns.com/catalog/produ...ckinm2h2gf7bl1

    If I were you I'd push the budget a bit. Actually I just did.

    Mine:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega View Post
    Which begs the question... If you have a gun that was built from a stripped lower with quality parts, or a 'lower tier' brand (according to the chart) that has been upgraded with quality parts, does it really matter who's roll mark is on it?
    I'd agree that it doesn't, though as many have pointed out you come out better just buying quality to begin with rather than upgrading.

    On the other hand, I received a Bushmaster as a gift that I really had no desire for as I already had Colt 6920 and a Daniel Defense DDXV. Selling the rifle would have been inappropriate, so I chose to upgrade it to the specs I wanted and make it a shooter.

    All furniture was replaced with Magpul MOE - $125
    Added Magpul AFG - $35
    Added Magpul Rear MBUS - $50
    LPK was replaced with an Daniel Defense - $70
    Buffer replaced with BCM heavy buffer - $30
    BCG replaced with Daniel Defense - $140
    Charging handle replaced with BCM Gunfighter - $40
    Misc parts - $50
    Total - $540

    So now I've got $500 in it (plus another $700 in optic, light, mounts, and sling, but I'd have put those on any AR) but it's become my favorite rifle since I did the upgrades myself and I'm honoring the intent of the initial gift by using it.

    It's at +/- 3000 rounds now and is a fine shooter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VHinch View Post
    I'd agree that it doesn't, though as many have pointed out you come out better just buying quality to begin with rather than upgrading.

    On the other hand, I received a Bushmaster as a gift that I really had no desire for as I already had Colt 6920 and a Daniel Defense DDXV. Selling the rifle would have been inappropriate, so I chose to upgrade it to the specs I wanted and make it a shooter.

    All furniture was replaced with Magpul MOE - $125
    Added Magpul AFG - $35
    Added Magpul Rear MBUS - $50
    LPK was replaced with an Daniel Defense - $70
    Buffer replaced with BCM heavy buffer - $30
    BCG replaced with Daniel Defense - $140
    Charging handle replaced with BCM Gunfighter - $40
    Misc parts - $50
    Total - $540

    So now I've got $500 in it (plus another $700 in optic, light, mounts, and sling, but I'd have put those on any AR) but it's become my favorite rifle since I did the upgrades myself and I'm honoring the intent of the initial gift by using it.

    It's at +/- 3000 rounds now and is a fine shooter.


    Like you, I was not in a position to trade the rifle in, so slowly upgrading over time was the option that I took.
    So far, here is where she is.

    Trigger is a 3# Timney
    Gas block is a low profile LaRue
    Quad rail is an 11" LaRue
    Charging handle is an LMT
    Magpul BAD and Magpul AFG
    Grip is a Magpul MIAD and the stock is a Magpul CTR
    Ladder rail covers, BUS, and 20 round magazines are all from Magpul.
    BCM bolt carrier group
    Sling is a Viking Tactics VTAC.
    When funds permit, she will get an Aimpoint Comp M4s w/ LaRue Tactical QD Mount

    The last of the 'stock' parts is the barrel which will be replaced when I SBR it with a 12.5" barrel and a Noveske KX3.
    I have receipts for everything, but I haven't added up the cost because I don't care to. Cost was not the point.

    I kind of look at this project the same way I look at my hot rod.
    I'm not looking to ever sell it, and the cost of the extra parts? That's just the cost of the hobby.
    It was fun, it was a learning experience, and I now have one hell of a hot rod that will throw down with the best of them.
    I don't give a rats ass who's roll mark is on the lower because the only person I need to please is me... and I'm pleased.

    I'm still experimenting too...
    Since this photo was taken I've turned the rear sight around to give a slightly longer picture, but left the front one reversed.
    It is easier to deploy and retract with my thumb while maintaining my grip on the AFG.
    Funny how you learn these things while experimenting...

    Last edited by Mega; 02-19-10 at 08:33. Reason: forgot an important part
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega View Post
    Like you, I was not in a position to trade the rifle in, so slowly upgrading over time was the option that I took.
    So far, here is where she is.

    Trigger is a 3# Timney
    Gas block is a low profile LaRue
    Quad rail is an 11" LaRue
    Charging handle is an LMT
    Magpul BAD and Magpul AFG
    Grip is a Magpul MIAD and the stock is a Magpul CTR
    Ladder rail covers, BUS, and 20 round magazines are all from Magpul.
    BCM bolt carrier group
    Sling is a Viking Tactics VTAC.
    When funds permit, she will get an Aimpoint Comp M4s w/ LaRue Tactical QD Mount

    The last of the 'stock' parts is the barrel which will be replaced when I SBR it with a 12.5" barrel and a Noveske KX3.
    I have receipts for everything, but I haven't added up the cost because I don't care to. Cost was not the point.

    I kind of look at this project the same way I look at my hot rod.
    I'm not looking to ever sell it, and the cost of the extra parts? That's just the cost of the hobby.
    It was fun, it was a learning experience, and I now have one hell of a hot rod that will throw down with the best of them.
    I don't give a rats ass who's roll mark is on the lower because the only person I need to please is me... and I'm pleased.

    I'm still experimenting too...
    Since this photo was taken I've turned the rear sight around to give a slightly longer picture, but left the front one reversed.
    It is easier to deploy and retract with my thumb while maintaining my grip on the AFG.
    Funny how you learn these things while experimenting...

    I like the way you think. Sue I could have gotten something better for a few hundred more but this is what I've got, so I'm going to work with it. Unless someone wants to offer me $900 for my 16" bushmaster I might as well keep it and upgrade it as I go. Once everything is swapped out and properly installed/staked the only difference between my bushmaster and a BCM or a LMT is the upper and lower housing the parts.... not worried about issues with that.

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    If I've learned anything, it's this.

    1) Never regret a purchase, see it as a learning experience.

    2) Your gun, whether you like it or not, or regret the purchase, will still serve you better than the one you don't have, because it's still sitting at the gun shop or on an online catalog. (what you have is more useful to you than what you don't have.)

    3) Become proficient with whatever you have. Maybe you don't have the dough to shell out for one of the "left-side of the chart" rifles, but look at it this way.... Whatever the rifle is, it's only as good as the trigger-actuator-nut. Train to use whatever you have until you can afford something "better" (subjective term at best), and when it comes down to it, at least you have your skills to overcome what you PERCEIVE may (or may not) be a shortcoming in the rifle itself. You have to TRUST YOURSELF, before you can TRUST a RIFLE.

    4) Never expect the rifle to do all the work. All the fancy do-dads and parts don't mean a thing if it never leaves the safe. As was stated at the beginning of this post, it's more defense/offense related, so if you aren't putting rounds down range on a regular basis, you might as well reach for a Red Ryder when the fit hits the shan.

    On a side note, My little gas-sipping Hyundai serves me just fine, if that means anything, hahaha.
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    [QUOTE=CAInstructorTx;577227]If I've learned anything, it's this.

    1) Never regret a purchase, see it as a learning experience.

    2) Your gun, whether you like it or not, or regret the purchase, will still serve you better than the one you don't have, because it's still sitting at the gun shop or on an online catalog. (what you have is more useful to you than what you don't have.)

    3) Become proficient with whatever you have. Maybe you don't have the dough to shell out for one of the "left-side of the chart" rifles, but look at it this way.... Whatever the rifle is, it's only as good as the trigger-actuator-nut. Train to use whatever you have until you can afford something "better" (subjective term at best), and when it comes down to it, at least you have your skills to overcome what you PERCEIVE may (or may not) be a shortcoming in the rifle itself. You have to TRUST YOURSELF, before you can TRUST a RIFLE.

    4) Never expect the rifle to do all the work. All the fancy do-dads and parts don't mean a thing if it never leaves the safe. As was stated at the beginning of this post, it's more defense/offense related, so if you aren't putting rounds down range on a regular basis, you might as well reach for a Red Ryder when the fit hits the shan.

    On a side note, My little gas-sipping Hyundai serves me just fine, if that means anything, hahaha.[/Q

    I agree. Training is key. An LMT or Noveski wont give anyone an advantage if they arent skilled to use it properly.

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    That knife cuts both ways. I have watched other students sped 3 days learning NOTHING because they are fighting their gear the whole time. Show up with a shitty gun that won't run and you are unlikely to get much of anything out of a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    That knife cuts both ways. I have watched other students sped 3 days learning NOTHING because they are fighting their gear the whole time. Show up with a shitty gun that won't run and you are unlikely to get much of anything out of a class.
    You have obviously had a lot of training time, and seen a lot of failures, is it HONESTLY always with "shitty" guns?

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