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    [QUOTE=tommyrott;633060]new to the forum, bought my BM extra light in Aug 08 was really the only thing available at the time. made almost all the recommended changes with some exceptions, being an A1 stock because i despise collapsible stock (personal choice) superior shooting buffer,ejector,extractor springs 2,000 rnds so far works great. yes i know it's not a noveske, etc,etc. my question would be is the lower good enough to serve as part of a class gun? plan to build an upper using a Les Baer upper, Bcm mid length gov profile barrel, troy ind trx extreme 13" forend, low pro gas block, and fixed sights, Lmt bcg, pws 556 flash suppressor/ muzzle break, Bcm gunfighter charge handle md. any input would be appreciated[/QUOTE

    The lowers are about the only thing Bushy does right. Nothing wrong with them. My current gun is on a Bushy lower and it runs like a champ. That being said, the actual lower receiver is the only thing on the carbine that is still busy. Everything else has been replaced. I would have just got a totally new carbine from the ground up, but being as I am in CA. and have one registered lower that I don't have to put a bullet button in, I make due with my Busy lower. I have no reservations about it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six Feet Under View Post
    Agreed, 100%.



    I trust it to go bang if I need it to, but it was a budget build. My next gun (probably an SBR) will be made of BCM, Daniel Defense, Magpul, AAC, etc. goodness.
    Currently building this rifle!

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    Smile my stagg rifle

    I own a great Colt Ar and a few years ago I purchased a Stagg left handed. I hear alot of middle of the road about the Stagg. I bought it cause I wanted a left handed rifle. I really does not make any differance but it is neat.
    I have run my Stagg through numerous courses and now have close to 4 thousand rounds throught it with out a bobble. Well the dust cover fell off.

    True it does not have all the perfect parts, but who makes a good replacement BCG for lefted.

    Its a great gun and has run great for me. I think everyone gets caught up in saying I have to have this and I have to have that. I ran mine hard and it came out a winner. Not all will but then in course I have taught I have seen All brands including the top of the line break.

    My thought, for what it matters is get the best you can, and just deal with it.

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    I'll tell you I was very close to purchasing a RRA based on the price and description of the rifles; the problem was they are using a bunch of fancy terms that sound good if you don't know what the heck your talking about.

    That's why i'm glad i came across these forums and now I'm buying myself the Colt LE6920; my purpose is plinking, coyote hunting, and home defense. I'm hoping this rifle will help me do all the above without any worry.

    Thanks guys, i love it when you guys make me sound very knowledgeable around my friends who don't know shit Seriously thanks for saving me from buyers remorse.

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    Last edited by Hound74; 05-16-10 at 12:53. Reason: It was an unecessary rant with useless info.

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    You have missed the point as many seem to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyscouts2 View Post
    I own a great Colt Ar and a few years ago I purchased a Stagg left handed. I hear alot of middle of the road about the Stagg. I bought it cause I wanted a left handed rifle. I really does not make any differance but it is neat.
    I have run my Stagg through numerous courses and now have close to 4 thousand rounds throught it with out a bobble. Well the dust cover fell off.

    True it does not have all the perfect parts, but who makes a good replacement BCG for lefted.

    Its a great gun and has run great for me. I think everyone gets caught up in saying I have to have this and I have to have that. I ran mine hard and it came out a winner. Sometimes you can get one that runs good, but the key is consistency. Not all will but then in course I have taught I have seen All brands including the top of the line break. Again this is true. But that rate of failure is lower and less probable with those that have an established record and quality control.

    My thought, for what it matters is get the best you can, and just deal with it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyscouts2 View Post
    I own a great Colt Ar and a few years ago I purchased a Stagg left handed. I hear alot of middle of the road about the Stagg.Not on this site you won't. I bought it cause I wanted a left handed rifle. I really does not make any differance but it is neat. 99.9% of ARs are for right handed folks. You will be building the wrong type of muscle memory if your Stag goes down and have to utilize a right handed AR in an emergency or battle field pick up. The precious seconds, trying to re-adapt, may cost you your life.
    I have run my Stagg through numerous courses and now have close to 4 thousand rounds throught it with out a bobble. Well the dust cover fell off. Good on you, hopefully that's the only thing that will fail on your Stag.

    True it does not have all the perfect parts, but who makes a good replacement BCG for lefted.

    Its a great gun and has run great for me. I think everyone gets caught up in saying I have to have this and I have to have that. I ran mine hard and it came out a winner. Not all will but then in course I have taught I have seen All brands including the top of the line break.So have I, including my 6920s (extractor or Mag related), but I see MORE catastrophic, gun shit the bed and needs to be sent back to the manufacturer, failures occur in BMs, Oly, Stag, insert other low end AR here.

    My thought, for what it matters is get the best you can, and just deal with it. My thought is, since the world isn't ending anytime soon, save up for a quality AR on the far left end of the "chart" (Colt, BCM, LMT, Noveske, etc..) and stock up on quality replacement parts from Bravocompanyusa. Prices are at an all time low. There is no practical reason to "settle".
    See Comments in blue above.
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    Rob_s:
    Always loved the chart, found it after I had been researching/info hunting about AR's for over a year and it really streamlined my research quite a bit!

    Use it for what it is worth, a fact based comparison chart of AR's major components; and if they happen to be up to TDP milspec -or- non-TDP SPec'd commercial offerrings.

    I have never felt sorry for those who didn't do the research up front and figure the best deal/scenario for them; be it a gun, a guitar, a car, a home or what have you. If you don't confirm things for yourself and have real-world based evidence to back up your decisions; why are you making those decisions? IT isn't very prudent, and you will be left dealing witht the short-sightedness of your poor decision; such is life.

    I think one aspect of this thread/the chart that is missing is to be patient look for the deals; they are out there. I waited for a long time and found the best deal I have ever gotten on anything in my life when I bought my first M4 (New DD M4 Version 1 with (11) 30 round Pmags, (3) 30 round GI mags, (1) 20 round GI mag, (100) rounds SS109, (600) rounds PPu 75 Grain match; all for $1,500.00 out the door). I was very close to buying a DPMS/Oly arms franken M4gery at Tanner for $1,200.00 (The guy claimed it was the best gun he had ever built, and he was a "professional armorer"; well it was all crap bottom bin parts, and not built well either!) because I had AR fever oh so bad, but I calmed my self down and did the research for two years before I made the actual leap. I am very happy I did so.

    On the other hand my brother in law bought that very franken M4gery that very day and has been bashing his head against the wall ever since.

    For the newbs looking to buy a rifle, being informed, patient, willing to shop around, and logical about your needs/wants is going to get you the best deal every time.

    You can find an amazing weapons system these days for a great price if you are a frugal and patient shopper. Look to private party sales (If legal in your state!). You can find great used equipment, and very good prices. I have purchased about (5) guns total from private parties and they have been great guns just about 1/2 price or a bit more every time.
    Thats the good thing about the private party market and this bad economy, you have guys who panick bought tons of ammo, guns, accessories, etc; but they have no money to pay for rent or food anymore, so they get rid of the stuff they bought at premium panick prices, for whatever they can fetch as fast as they can it so they can keep there house/belly full.
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    I agree. I posted this in the 'custom built' section, but it follows your same logic. I had ordered a RRA Elite Operator in February using the $1060 coupon they had off the website. Early June it was still not in. Had been reading and researching during the interim, trying to justify the RRA really. Finally said, the heck with that, cancelled the order and built my own. Close to double the cost, but will "not be a zombie with sub-par gear." Thanks to M4carbine for the wealth of info. Specs below - will post pics once the lower arrives from Grant.

    • BCM BFH 16" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group w/ Daniel Defense LITE 12" Handguard w/BCM BCG
    • Daniel Defense Lower (GR & LMT LPK, BCM 6-pos receiver extension, CO chrome silicon spring, Magpul enhanced trigger guard, Ergo grips, Magpul ACS stock w/.70” enhanced buttpad)
    • BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle, M4 Med.
    • 6 PMags 30rd clips w/windows w/ranger plates
    • Troy folding battle sights - front and rear
    • Troy modular foregrip
    • Magpul B.A.D. lever
    • Vltor SM-OCG offset light mount
    • Surefire 6P (had) w/Malkoff M61 260-lumin mod
    • Tactical Link Z-360 sling mount
    • P.I.G. drop-slider MK-1 sling
    • 42” UTG Leapers tactical case from CheaperThanDirt.com
    • Lula loader & several boxes of UMC Remington .223 rounds (both FMJ and hollowpoints)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gen. Disarray View Post
    I agree. I posted this in the 'custom built' section, but it follows your same logic. I had ordered a RRA Elite Operator in February using the $1060 coupon they had off the website. Early June it was still not in. Had been reading and researching during the interim, trying to justify the RRA really. Finally said, the heck with that, cancelled the order and built my own. Close to double the cost, but will "not be a zombie with sub-par gear." Thanks to M4carbine for the wealth of info. Specs below - will post pics once the lower arrives from Grant.

    • BCM BFH 16" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group w/ Daniel Defense LITE 12" Handguard w/BCM BCG
    • Daniel Defense Lower (GR & LMT LPK, BCM 6-pos receiver extension, CO chrome silicon spring, Magpul enhanced trigger guard, Ergo grips, Magpul ACS stock w/.70” enhanced buttpad)
    • BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle, M4 Med.
    • 6 PMags 30rd clips w/windows w/ranger plates
    • Troy folding battle sights - front and rear
    • Troy modular foregrip
    • Magpul B.A.D. lever
    • Vltor SM-OCG offset light mount
    • Surefire 6P (had) w/Malkoff M61 260-lumin mod
    • Tactical Link Z-360 sling mount
    • P.I.G. drop-slider MK-1 sling
    • 42” UTG Leapers tactical case from CheaperThanDirt.com
    • Lula loader & several boxes of UMC Remington .223 rounds (both FMJ and hollowpoints)
    General Dissaray (Love the Screenname!)
    Sounds like you got 3X's the gun for just 2x's the cash; a good deal in any mans book.
    Patience pays out every time.
    Last edited by THCDDM4; 06-24-10 at 15:43.
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