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    I beg to differ on BM's not being of quality. I bought my first Ar in 1998, a BM post ban in M16A2 config. I have used many different mags, Pmags to old .mil surplus black followers, and 10+ different brands of ammo with bullet weight going from 52 to 62 grains, firing more then 4000 rounds through it. It has never given me any problems. It out of the box and still does group well, and every time my booger hook presses down on the bang switch it goes boom. I mean I have 0 failure to feed in 13 years. I once went 720 rounds of remmington green box 55 grain in one range session, It has been a fine rifle.

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    Did you bother to read Grant's post or any of the other BM posts here? Probably not. You may well have a decent running BM that works. However, consistency (which is very important) is lacking and across the board you will see it isn't the case.

    I would ask you to use the ORANGE SEARCH BUTTON at the top and type in Bushmaster and read some.

    A sample of one doesn't mean anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by TXBSAFH View Post
    I beg to differ on BM's not being of quality. I bought my first Ar in 1998, a BM post ban in M16A2 config. I have used many different mags, Pmags to old .mil surplus black followers, and 10+ different brands of ammo with bullet weight going from 52 to 62 grains, firing more then 4000 rounds through it. It has never given me any problems. It out of the box and still does group well, and every time my booger hook presses down on the bang switch it goes boom. I mean I have 0 failure to feed in 13 years. I once went 720 rounds of remmington green box 55 grain in one range session, It has been a fine rifle.



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    IMHO the tier crud is BS. I do not see the need to pay $2000 to get what I can for less the $900. I have had 3 AR fully assembled (Have soem stripped lowers I am buying parts for) the BM, a colt, and a S&W. Only the colt gave me issues, started to jam after less the 200 rounds no matter the ammo or mags. I have several friends with BM's and RRA's no issues, one got one last year to replace a post ban DPMS that was stolen in a burgary, as of 2 weeks ago when we shot togther he had fired 1100 rounds without cleaning and no isssues.

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    For the type of training that I plan on doing, I think 700+ rounds in one day is about minimum... probably even a conservative number. Others with more experience in these things will be able to answer more accurately.... HOWEVER:

    An AR is a machine. As such, things will break, wear out, etc. I've noticed things about my particular BM that make me not feel comfortable about using it for one of those training courses until I get it straightened out.

    If several hundred people, including those people who have 'industry professional' attached to their name all say that x, y, and z are prone to fail.... well, I'm in no place to disagree. I just don't have the experience to do so.

    I feel that I have been given good advice, and I have made a plan to get those things taken care of.

    I'm actually glad to hear that your rifle has given you great service and meets the needs to you place on it. Mine has given me 99% great service. BUT, I anticipate my needs changing in the next month or so, so I'll take the steps now to stop as many future problems as possible.



    Quote Originally Posted by TXBSAFH View Post
    I beg to differ on BM's not being of quality. I bought my first Ar in 1998, a BM post ban in M16A2 config. I have used many different mags, Pmags to old .mil surplus black followers, and 10+ different brands of ammo with bullet weight going from 52 to 62 grains, firing more then 4000 rounds through it. It has never given me any problems. It out of the box and still does group well, and every time my booger hook presses down on the bang switch it goes boom. I mean I have 0 failure to feed in 13 years. I once went 720 rounds of remmington green box 55 grain in one range session, It has been a fine rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBSAFH View Post
    I beg to differ on BM's not being of quality. I bought my first Ar in 1998, a BM post ban in M16A2
    +1 on what IG said, plus you have to keep in mind that your sample is closing on being 13 years out of date.

    We're looking at current trends here. Things change over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBSAFH View Post
    IMHO the tier crud is BS.
    Do you even know who "they" are? Unlike other gun forums, most of the people who post here are Former/current Military, LE, Dealers, Armorers, Competitors. If Bushmaster etc. really worked that well, don't you think they'd save their money and buy cheaper? The fact is, for a recreational paper puncher, BM, RRA, etc will likely never fail in it's course of service. If, however, you run classes, matches, or life-saving operations, the gun will get hot, and lesser quality/out of spec parts will fail. Don't mistake professionals' experience for fanboy-ism. There's a reason people here recommend quality gear, and no, "their crud" is not BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Hello and welcome to the forum!

    I would buy the spare parts that wear our or break (on any AR) and just shoot your gun.

    Parts list to keep around:

    1. Bolt
    2. Extractor spring and insert
    3. Buffer Spring

    About that only thing I would buy now is an H2 or H3 buffer (as your gun is over gassed. Those are cheap and easy and will make a difference.

    Save your money (that you would have spent on upgrades or a new AR) and put it towards training. You will be much better off in the long run.


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    OP- it's cheap to upgrade your barrel once you shoot this one out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBelly View Post
    I'm at a bit of a crossroads, though. I know that I can "fix" parts of my BM and make it better than what it started out, or I can save my dough and drop it on a REAL firearm.

    -Bely
    This is quickly becoming a peeve of mine.

    A BM is a REAL firearm. It is not a toy. It suffers from various deficiencies as pointed out by the members, stickes, and info on this sight. It is not the choice of a professional, nor is it the recommendation of the professional.

    But its a real firearm.

    The enemy, be it paper. talilban, or crackhead does not care if you have a DD/BM/Stag/whatever. The difference is in the user and the confidence of their system to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBSAFH View Post
    IMHO the tier crud is BS. I do not see the need to pay $2000 to get what I can for less the $900.
    The tier crud is indeed BS to any with an emotional attachment to their purchases. When able to take a step back and view the market objectively, across it's spectrum and in numbers that mean something (yours only mean something to YOU, which is peachy but do not establish anything but a local trend....local to you, specifically, and therefore of no bearing until mated up with other data), it is not. It's an arbitrary grading system of sorts, which isn't exactly an uncommon thing in any industry one'd care to mention.

    It's disingenuous to say that one doesn't NEED to pay $2000 to get what one can for less than $900. That's factual only in the shallow sense that if you're paying $2000 for a $900 gun, one is an idiot, a rube, or both.

    In this particular idiom, however, the trend is for that $2000 gun from a top-tier manufacturer IS a $2000 gun, while a $900 Bushmaster or similar is actually a $750 gun. The former is only a waste of money to the purchaser if they can't shoot well enough or often enough to justify dropping that kind of cash. The latter is a waste of money because, if one is shooting often enough, there are better options abailable than a manufacturer that has a known and verifiable history of taking gigantic shortcuts in regard to the Colt TDP in addition to manufacturing shortcuts.

    The "tier crud" is not BS, you simply don't like it. Big difference. When you see and shoot weapons a few thousand at a time, trends come forward that one'd be hard-pressed to notice with a sample size of 3 guns. We're all victims of our frame of reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBSAFH View Post
    IMHO the tier crud is BS. I do not see the need to pay $2000 to get what I can for less the $900. I have had 3 AR fully assembled (Have soem stripped lowers I am buying parts for) the BM, a colt, and a S&W. Only the colt gave me issues, started to jam after less the 200 rounds no matter the ammo or mags. I have several friends with BM's and RRA's no issues, one got one last year to replace a post ban DPMS that was stolen in a burgary, as of 2 weeks ago when we shot togther he had fired 1100 rounds without cleaning and no isssues.
    I don't think you are paying attention. Did you read my thread???

    No on said that you had to buy a $2k rifle. In fact for about $900-$1K you can have a top of the line weapon (FYI).

    I know we cover this on the forum a lot, but here is a refresher. Yes, your low quality AR (BM/RRA/DPMS/ETC) can and will function. When you use the cheapest parts you can and don't correctly assemble them, the odds of something going wrong climbs DRAMATICALLY.

    Keep in mind that there are people here that do this stuff for a living (professional armorer's). Their experience with said weapon trumps yours X 1000.


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