WISCONSIN GOVERNOR THREATENS TO CALL NATIONAL GUARD

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

-The senators that fled the state should have impeachment proceedings started against them. That is a dereliction of duty and an assault on democracy.
-Sick teachers should be fired for the health of the students. Lots of unemployed teachers out there.

Can you imagine if Tea Partiers shut down the school system, shut down the government and occupied the state house?

[skyugo]

Government workers should not be allowed to join unions.

I think everyone should be free to join a union. Doesn't mean i (or the government) has to hire you though.

[Belmont31R]

Do you understand the significance of collective barganing? Do you understand what it means when you don't have it? You can't strike and you can't force a shutdown.

The Workers in Wisconsin have the right to collective bargaining and the Governor only wants to restrict it to the right to negotiate wages in a contract and they are all pissy over that. Shit, bitches should be glad for what they got. I ain't got anything near even that but then again, my state is solvent and I will likely get all of my retirement too because of that.

BTW, my state is in the black and has been so for more than 15 years. Right now, in spite of this economy, we are running over 10% vacant and cannot find qualified applicants. Some positions are being posted three times before they are filled due to lack of applicants. Due to boomer retirements, it will likely get much worse. If you are qualified and would like a job with us, I can almost 100% guarentee you will get one.

Might not like where you work or like the pay but you will have a job.

Sure you can get a group together, and seek higher wages and benefits. Its also the employers right to say no, and fire any employee for any reason.


Ive searched my state's listings, and in the past two years have applied to over 200 jobs.


Im fine doing what I am right now but Im using my GI Bill to get a degree since thats the only way to make a decent living. I dont want to get into a "trade".


I would say at least 80% minimum of the state/local jobs here Ive looked at require a degree. When they said back when I was in HS anything above McDonalds needs a degree now they were right.


My dad got in when that wasn't the case, and he doesn't have a 4 year. He still makes 8k take home in the US and 20k overseas a month.


Employers have the attitude of finding the perfect employee with experience, 10's of thousands in education, and then want to pay them shit wages. Lots of the public jobs I looked at wanted to pay 30k-50k a year with a bachelors. I made more than that in the mil with no education.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

You cannot stop people from associating with one another for purposes of mutual interest, not in anything that pretends to be a free society anyways.

Uhm, YES WE CAN. Called anti-trust, insider trading laws and the best of all RICO.

[Littlelebowski]

I've never felt the need for collective bargaining since I started working.

[120mm]

Except for the pesky fact the courts have ruled time and time again that unlike a private employer, you can not discriminate against the 1st amendment rights of a public employee if you are a public employeer.

Courts supported slavery before the Civil War, too. And they were just as wrong as courts supporting the criminal thugs who make up public employee unions. Union activity is extortion, pure and simple.

All a union is is an association of individuals and all the groupthink in the world won't change that. You cannot stop people from associating with one another for purposes of mutual interest, not in anything that pretends to be a free society anyways.

So we could get together and plan bank robberies? How about gang rapes? I mean, it's in our mutual interest....

And were, in this so-called "free society" that you speak of is there so many full-time and permanent gov't employees. If our society were so damned free, the gov't would never be such a major employer, and wouldn't be in the business of employing permanent teat suckers.

Whether you give a public employees union the power to strike is up to you but you cannot ban them and no one is trying because they know it is quite illegal to do so.

Nope, nothing wrong at all unless you want to make a bunch of very rich public employees at the states expense.

Public employees are alread grossly overpaid and work very little. That's why public jobs are competed for so intensely. The courts are implicit in legalizing this extortion. The filthy old men in black robes in our court system, who've decided to sell out to public unions were something the founding fathers never considered.

[Heavy Metal]

Uhm, YES WE CAN. Called anti-trust, insider trading laws and the best of all RICO.

I guess that means by your reasoning that Obama can use RICO to bust up the NRA too then right? How does freedom of association constutite insider trading?

For the purposes of the commission of a crime, not for legal activity. Again, do you understand what you are saying?

I swear, the groupthink on the right is becoming as bad as it is on the left. We are supposed to be smarter than that. If you are going to hold a political stance, it would be good if you understand it below the depth of the paint.

[Heavy Metal]

Its also the employers right to say no, and fire any employee for any reason.

If you are the .gov, you have to abide by the 1st amendment. You cannot fire an employee for asscoiation with another or multiple others. To try and do so is totalitarian and thuggish.

[Heavy Metal]

Ok, which is it?

Belmont31R--Lots of the public jobs I looked at wanted to pay 30k-50k a year with a bachelors. I made more than that in the mil with no education.

120mm--Public employees are alread grossly overpaid and work very little. That's why public jobs are competed for so intensely.

Like I said, we are running more than 10% vacant, likely to get worse and sometimes posting jobs three times before we secure a barely qualified applicant. I guess that meets your definition of intensely competed. If you want a reasonably secure job and meet the minimum qualifications, I can almost 100% guarentee you that you too can secure one of these jobs too. Might not like your community or pay but you will be working.

If our society were so damned free, the gov't would never be such a major employer, and wouldn't be in the business of employing permanent teat suckers.

By all means, lets spend vast sums of money training the Engineer who reviews bridge specifications, get rid of him when whe think he is becoming a bit too 'teat sucky' and let him take that training with him. Then we can hire his green replacement, hope he doesn't make too many expensive or life threatening mistakes and pay vast sums to train him too. I bet we could just pull anybody off the street to do his job, don't you think? Not everybody who works for the .gov is a clerk at the DMV.

So we could get together and plan bank robberies? How about gang rapes? I mean, it's in our mutual interest....

If you keep dry-humping that strawman argument, you are going to injure yourself. Ease off on the hyperbole and address the actual point, not the straw-point you wish I had made.

Public employees are alread grossly overpaid and work very little.

Let me know when you get back in the states, I will be more than happy to arrange a ride-along so you can evaluate this belief first-hand

[Cagemonkey]

-The senators that fled the state should have impeachment proceedings started against them. That is a dereliction of duty and an assault on democracy.
-Sick teachers should be fired for the health of the students. Lots of unemployed teachers out there.

Can you imagine if Tea Partiers shut down the school system, shut down the government and occupied the state house?

NOW THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!