WISCONSIN GOVERNOR THREATENS TO CALL NATIONAL GUARD

[Heavy Metal]

Nothing wrong with the employer firing every union member, either.

Except for the pesky fact the courts have ruled time and time again that unlike a private employer, you can not discriminate against the 1st amendment rights of a public employee if you are a public employeer.

All a union is is an association of individuals and all the groupthink in the world won't change that. You cannot stop people from associating with one another for purposes of mutual interest, not in anything that pretends to be a free society anyways.

Whether you give a public employees union the power to strike is up to you but you cannot ban them and no one is trying because they know it is quite illegal to do so.

Nope, nothing wrong at all unless you want to make a bunch of very rich public employees at the states expense.

[rubberneck]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with allowing Public Employees to form a union. It is their first amendment right to assemble and discuss. They should have the same 1st amendment rights as anyone else.

What about the State employee who doesn't want to be a member of the union but is compelled to if he/she wants take that job. If the first amendment protects the rights of people to freely assemble and discuss than it should also protect the right of people to not want to freely assemble and discuss. You can't have it both ways. I know the courts have ruled otherwise for more than a century but it doesn't make it right.

[Belmont31R]

Then we will have to deal with government shut downs and perhaps complete failure in the future.



Then those rules will go bye bye while at the same time the USA is no more.



Not saying unions will do it alone but its coming to head between welfare, SS, medical care, public unions, military procurement, ect. We've created a completely unsustainable system.

[The_War_Wagon]

Nothing wrong with the employer firing every union member, either.

I know some former air traffic controllers they NEED to go commiserate with.

[Heavy Metal]

What about the State employee who doesn't want to be a member of the union but is compelled to if he/she wants take that job. If the first amendment protects the rights of people to freely assemble and discuss than it should also protect the right of people to not want to freely assemble and discuss. You can't have it both ways. I know the courts have ruled otherwise for more than a century but it doesn't make it right.

No one is compelled to join a Union in my state. Next.

[Heavy Metal]

I know some former air traffic controllers they NEED to go commiserate with.

And PATCO perfomed an illegal strike and paid for it. Justly so IMO. They are a prime example of why I oppose collective barganing and the right to strike for public sector workers.

[Heavy Metal]

Then we will have to deal with government shut downs and perhaps complete failure in the future.



Then those rules will go bye bye while at the same time the USA is no more.



Not saying unions will do it alone but its coming to head between welfare, SS, medical care, public unions, military procurement, ect. We've created a completely unsustainable system.

Do you understand the significance of collective barganing? Do you understand what it means when you don't have it? You can't strike and you can't force a shutdown.

The Workers in Wisconsin have the right to collective bargaining and the Governor only wants to restrict it to the right to negotiate wages in a contract and they are all pissy over that. Shit, bitches should be glad for what they got. I ain't got anything near even that but then again, my state is solvent and I will likely get all of my retirement too because of that.

BTW, my state is in the black and has been so for more than 15 years. Right now, in spite of this economy, we are running over 10% vacant and cannot find qualified applicants. Some positions are being posted three times before they are filled due to lack of applicants. Due to boomer retirements, it will likely get much worse. If you are qualified and would like a job with us, I can almost 100% guarentee you will get one.

Might not like where you work or like the pay but you will have a job.

[Cagemonkey]

I don't get it. This nation is at the crossroads. We're in the worst fiscal shape we've ever been in. Meanwhile people can go on living the status quo. You ever notice the only union jobs out there are one that have no market competitiveness. Unions on average earn more than their private equivalents and get paid benefits up the wazoo. Suddenly these unions are asked to make sacrifices for the future fiscal health of their employer/state and its the end of the world as they know it. With all the Governmental agencies and regulations theirs no need for unions here in the US. Work hard, be honest, trustworthy and proficient. Be skillful and keep yourself marketable. If you don't like your boss, go find another employer for your skills. Its time for people to suck it up. I'd love to see all those protesters get fired. In todays economy I bet allot of people would love to have those jobs even at the new terms.

[500grains]

I like the idea of a government shutdown. Shut the flipping government down and quit spending money. I wonder how long those protestors can go without a pay check. 30 days? Great. Then hire replacements at half the wages and tell the protestors to **** off. Or don't hire replacements and downsize the government.

[No.6]

I've got to take an opposing view regarding the contracts that were negotiated with the union. They should be enforced as written. You agree to work for someone, you have every right to expect the employer to live up to the agreement. How would you take it if you paycheck was arbitrarily reduced by 15% one day? You'd be demanding that your employer live up to his end of your contract wouldn't you? Same here. The Wisconsin government agreed to the terms and should abide by them.
Now having said all that (and probably pissed a few of you off), I personally think it's time for unions to go the way of the dinosaur. They served their purpose in improving working conditions for factory workers. And I sincerely doubt that any employer would devolve his business into a "sweet shop" in this day. Too many opportunities and the mobility of the workforce to let that happen.