Fox News: fair and balanced

[C4IGrant]

While Fox News is far from perfect, it's far superior to the other networks, which are pretty much all left wing Stalinist dreck.

They all do things to manipulate the truth. Some do it more than others. FOX being the best of them all in telling the truth (if there is such a thing).

In the end, people have to dig the facts up on their own and determine what is true and what isn't.


C4

[rickrock305]

Let me just tell you, if you think this is damning evidence if anything at FOXNEWS, it just shows that you have a personal problem with FOXNEWS. They ran one clip of instead of the other from when he won the straw poll. If that is the best you can do, you have never been in on the inside of major story and heard all the different ways things get reported. These are people on short deadlines. Run the Ron Paul victory tape piece was oddly too vague. Paul didn't even catch it.

Just the latest example in a long line of attempts to distort or manipulate the news.

The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a thorough study of public knowledge and attitudes about current events and the war on terrorism. Researchers found that the public’s mistaken impressions of three facets of U.S. foreign policy — discovery of alleged WMD in Iraq, alleged Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq — helped fuel support for the war.

While the PIPA study concluded that most Americans (over 60%) held at least one of these mistaken impressions, the researchers also concluded that Americans’ opinions were shaped in large part by which news outlet they relied upon to receive their information.

As the researchers explained in their report, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience.”

Almost shocking was the extent to which Fox News viewers were mistaken. Those who relied on the conservative network for news, PIPA reported, were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions. In the audience for NPR/PBS, however, there was an overwhelming majority who did not have any of the three misperceptions, and hardly any had all three.”

http://pulsemedia.org/2010/01/29/fox...rk-in-america/


But I think by far the best bullsh*t FOX story is this one...

http://mediamatters.org/research/200807020002

Altering photos of people?

[Littlelebowski]

What is this, DailyKos? Do you know who funds mediamatters? George ****ing Soros, that's who.

I wonder which network altered the video of the black gun owner in AZ? What, it wasn't Fox? All news outlets are biased?!

Say it ain't so!

[chadbag]

Just the latest example in a long line of attempts to distort or manipulate the news.






http://pulsemedia.org/2010/01/29/fox...rk-in-america/

I think this is meaningless. Most people I know who watch FNC also read major newspapers, probably listen to Rush (what, their listeners are up high in the knowledge), and get news from a variety of places.

Back before the Iraq war, everyone "knew" that Iraq had been developing WMD. That is why we had sanctions on them etc. Every intelligence agency in the world "knew" they had poison gas, had a clandestine nuclear program, etc. This was not a figment of FNC imagination that they pushed on everyone.

The report you mention was taken with an ideological slant. They looked for people who they disagreed with and called them dumb and those people were the FNC watchers.

I don't watch FNC (I don't watch TV except occasionally when something happens in the world or when traveling or elsewhere not at home) and rarely read FOxnews.com. However, when I have watched them, they were the most honest news channel for the particular story I was watching (when I do watch it, I tend to be following some story and watch that store across a few places).

Let's talk guns in mexico. FNC has had the best and most honest coverage of that while the NYT (paper of record? hah), WP, MSNBC, etc spout off the untruths that are the talking points of the Brady group and the gun grabbers in the government. Like the BS about 90% of guns coming from the US (the stats don't say that at all). Every major issue that MSNBC, CBS, etc report on seems to be a DNC/DailyKos talking point report and does not look at or investigate the issue at all. All they do is regurgitate the party line. Almost every freaking time I have seen them talk about guns, or the budget, or almost anything that has anything political behind it. FNC does some of that but less and tends to ask hard questions and not just regurgitate the party line.


lastly, media matters is a joke. They have been wrong more often than right and are just another organ of the left.

[ChicagoTex]

Off topic, but I've noticed your posts go from flaming liberal to moderate liberal to almost libertarian in the last year or so. Good job (and I agree)!

It's not a trend. I still support nationalized healthcare and state or national level distributed funding among public schools and think we need a new constitutional convention to, as a minimum, implement a parliamentary congressional system. However, I'm also a big believer in general social freedom and especially in not tolerating a bipartisan system designed to screw over America. I've got some big dreams (most of them would be classified as "extremely liberal") and know full-well no Democrat or Republican is gonna get me there.

[chadbag]

It's not a trend. I still support nationalized healthcare and state or national level distributed funding among public schools and think we need a new constitutional convention to, as a minimum, implement a parliamentary congressional system. However, I'm also a big believer in general social freedom

Nationalized healthcare and schooling is the opposite of social freedom.

A Parliamentary system would not solve the country's problems. And in fact, the original system we had is probably the best one that we could have hoped to have. It has been dismantled by things like the direct election of senators.

A parliamentary system would just lead us to even worse reductions in freedom as the small radical parties hold more power than their sizes would normally dictate due to being kingmakers in coalitions.

and especially in not tolerating a bipartisan system designed to screw over America. I've got some big dreams (most of them would be classified as "extremely liberal") and know full-well no Democrat or Republican is gonna get me there.

[500grains]

. I've got some big dreams (most of them would be classified as "extremely liberal") and know full-well no Democrat or Republican is gonna get me there.

IDEA: Move to Finland.

[S-1]

They all do things to manipulate the truth. Some do it more than others. FOX being the best of them all in telling the truth (if there is such a thing).

In the end, people have to dig the facts up on their own and determine what is true and what isn't.


C4

Very true. If I watch the news, I watch Fox. I usually go to the Drudge Report once a day and call it good.

FNC used to be on all of the time in my house, and since I have stopped watching it religously, my blood pressure has dropped and my quality of life has gone up.

[ChicagoTex]

Nationalized healthcare and schooling is the opposite of social freedom.

A Parliamentary system would not solve the country's problems. And in fact, the original system we had is probably the best one that we could have hoped to have. It has been dismantled by things like the direct election of senators.

A parliamentary system would just lead us to even worse reductions in freedom as the small radical parties hold more power than their sizes would normally dictate due to being kingmakers in coalitions.

IDEA: Move to Finland.

The point of my post wasn't to discuss these issues, but to highlight that just because I come down on the side of libertarians for certain issues doesn't change the fact that I'm still very liberal and quite proud of it.
If you wish to discuss some of the issues I've raised specifically, I'd be more than willing to do so in PM or another thread, but it's not appropriate to hijack this one.

[rickrock305]

I think this is meaningless. Most people I know who watch FNC also read major newspapers, probably listen to Rush (what, their listeners are up high in the knowledge), and get news from a variety of places.

Its not meaningless at all. There's also this study...

As the researchers explained in their report, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience.”

Almost shocking was the extent to which Fox News viewers were mistaken. Those who relied on the conservative network for news, PIPA reported, were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions. In the audience for NPR/PBS, however, there was an overwhelming majority who did not have any of the three misperceptions, and hardly any had all three.”

Back before the Iraq war, everyone "knew" that Iraq had been developing WMD. That is why we had sanctions on them etc. Every intelligence agency in the world "knew" they had poison gas, had a clandestine nuclear program, etc. This was not a figment of FNC imagination that they pushed on everyone.

This is blatantly false. Do you not remember all the debate leading up to the Iraq war? Do you not remember all the weapons inspectors finding nothing? Or the conspiracy over this guy... http://english.aljazeera.net/video/a...523158733.html

There was simply no evidence that Iraq was still in possession of WMD. And there was hardly a consensus that they did.

The report you mention was taken with an ideological slant. They looked for people who they disagreed with and called them dumb and those people were the FNC watchers.

You have some evidence or proof of this?

I don't watch FNC (I don't watch TV except occasionally when something happens in the world or when traveling or elsewhere not at home) and rarely read FOxnews.com. However, when I have watched them, they were the most honest news channel for the particular story I was watching (when I do watch it, I tend to be following some story and watch that store across a few places).

Or could it be that due to your preconceived opinions on the issue you simply thought they were being more honest?

Let's talk guns in mexico. FNC has had the best and most honest coverage of that while the NYT (paper of record? hah), WP, MSNBC, etc spout off the untruths that are the talking points of the Brady group and the gun grabbers in the government. Like the BS about 90% of guns coming from the US (the stats don't say that at all).

Now I'm not defending the NYT or Brady or MSNBC or any of them, but technically the stats do say that. Problem is the stats don't reflect reality.

All they do is regurgitate the party line. Almost every freaking time I have seen them talk about guns, or the budget, or almost anything that has anything political behind it. FNC does some of that but less and tends to ask hard questions and not just regurgitate the party line.

Fox does this just as much if not more than any other news outlet. Just look at their (mis)information on the healthcare debate or the budget or anything related to Islam for some examples.

lastly, media matters is a joke. They have been wrong more often than right and are just another organ of the left.

Fair enough, they are funded by the left. But the information they presented is perfectly accurate in this case and can be corroborated through other sources. The video of the incident in question is right there in the link. And looking through many of their articles condemning FOX, they provide clear cut examples of most of their assertions, with video from FOX to back it up.

For the same reason you think media matters is a joke, i think fox is a joke. They are nothing more than a right wing propaganda outlet. The difference seems to be I'm willing to call both MSNBC and FOX left/right wing propaganda outlets and write them both off as nonsense, while it seems most conservatives seem to think only the "other guy" does it.