Why do people find my beliefs so offensive?

[khc3]

[QUOTE=RancidSumo;913090]Which means what exactly?[quote]


It means that when you're 45, it's likely (since you seem like an earnest, intelligent person) that your beliefs will have undergone some...modification in the interim.

That's all. No insult intended.

They aren't stupid, they are just immoral if they want to force their views on others.

Life, on this earth, with these humans, forces a reality upon all of us that is quite independent of our wishes.

[RancidSumo]

You aren't an idiot, but you are not very good at baiting me into over-reacting. Anyway, re-read the last sentence - the greatest indicator of financial and social stability is a man and a woman with children under one roof.

B_C

I don't disagree that a man, woman, and children is the natural and best way for a family to operate. I just do not agree that it should be mandatory and that other ways of life should be illegal.

[RancidSumo]

[QUOTE=khc3;913105][QUOTE=RancidSumo;913090]Which means what exactly?

It means that when you're 45, it's likely (since you seem like an earnest, intelligent person) that your beliefs will have undergone some...modification in the interim.

That's all. No insult intended.





Life, on this earth, with these humans, forces a reality upon all of us that is quite independent of our wishes.

You may be right and my beliefs may change but I doubt it. I've put much more thought into than most people my age I would bet so i think my beliefs will refine themselves with age but won't outright change. Of course, I could be full of shit and be eating my words ten years down the road.



I think that it is unfortunate that most people have come to see government as a necessary evil. It is my belief that it is definitely evil but not in any way necessary (well that isn't entirely true. I am still working on figuring out what is needed with criminal/national defense. It is one of the few questions that I find truly difficult to figure out in this whole mess.) I think that many people have come to see the status quo as the only way to do things when it really isn't.

[SteyrAUG]

Life, on this earth, with these humans, forces a reality upon all of us that is quite independent of our wishes.

While true, that doesn't mean it isn't wrong. It also doesn't mean it can't be better than it currently is. I don't think anyone actually believes "perfect" is attainable. But things are certainly capable of being better.

And there have been times when man had to accept the situation. This was true of slaves in Rome, victims of the Catholic church, those who suffered under the rule of monarchs, the victims of Nazi Germany or under the Communists. Thankfully we are not in such confining circumstances and we have a means to attempt to improve things despite the roadblocks set by those who seek power over us.

And more importantly, one of the first steps towards improvement is not simply accepting things as "good enough" when they could or should be better.

[ChicagoTex]

the greatest indicator of financial and social stability is a man and a woman with children under one roof

That's not actually an argument. That's just something you personally believe stated like a fact.

If it works for you, rock on. I'm personally not sold on it as far as absolute truth goes.
And before it comes up, no I'm not really lobbying for gay marriage here (nor am I lobbying against it) I'm actually lobbying for the social and fiscal responsibility of the single and/or childless. I'd much rather have a single man living within his means in my society than someone in a miserable marriage and in hock up to his eyeballs because of children he could never afford to support in the first place.

[TOrrock]

If you want to see what full on no gov't regulation, no law enforcement, no infrastructure looks like, buy a ticket to Mogadishu.

[RancidSumo]

If you want to see what full on no gov't regulation, no law enforcement, no infrastructure looks like, buy a ticket to Mogadishu.

I'm not sure that is a legitimate comparison. It was a shit hole before with a corrupt government that started down the path it is on now and then it just degraded from there. Privatizing the US would be a completely different story I would bet. Obviously there are no certainties in this because it has never been done before.

[Iraqgunz]

No shit.

If you want to see what full on no gov't regulation, no law enforcement, no infrastructure looks like, buy a ticket to Mogadishu.

[HES]

...why do people tend to hate those of us who hold that belief so much?

#1 You aren't alone.
#2 Our numbers are growing, welcome to the libertarian philosophy.
#3 Like others have said, the ones that have a problem with us fear losing the ability to control others.
#4 They fear that loss of control because they fear that it may invalidate what they believe in.

When you get down to it High School never ends. Its the same ole shit over and over again in our adult lives. Kids turn into teens who begin to question themselves and are uncomfortable. So they seek out like minded individuals. Those individuals make the person feel like they are the norm and are there fore ok. Ergo anyone not in that group must be abnormal. Abnormal is seen to be bad. Bad must be stopped. Again, its all about control.

Remember, libertarianism isnt anarchism. Libertarianism is about the government keeping to its constitutional duties and obligations and adhering to the limits placed upon it by the Constitution. The rights of the individual are elevated over the needs or desires of the state. Libertarians understand that regulation is needed. However said regulation does not need to be so invasive and pervasive and it sure doesn't need to regulate personal behavior.

[skyugo]

If you want to see what full on no gov't regulation, no law enforcement, no infrastructure looks like, buy a ticket to Mogadishu.

I don't think that's the goal of the modern libertarian.
My reason for holding libertarian "extremist" beliefs is that the last 50 or so years have seen greater and greater infringement on every basic right. So at this point it's our duty to push back. When we get to a good level of freedom, i'll stop.