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    If detail cleaning makes you happy, go for it. BTDT. It's not *necessary* though.

    Have you seen the pictures of Pat Rogers' Filthy 14? (about 26,000 rounds w/o cleaning).


    Quote Originally Posted by kyrin88 View Post
    Absolutely not true. Its a personal thing, and I take about 45 mins to an hour on my weapon. I put at least 300 rnds down range every time I go shooting and when I go home I take my time and clean my weapon thoroughly. I have all lmt, but that doesn't mean I don't sit down and make sure my weapon is cleaned to "my" standards. And for the piston thing, I don't see any benefit going that route. In my experience the piston doesn't have much if any advantage over conventional Di system. I will have to agree with others and go with a quality build from LMT, BCM, DD etc. I would save the money for an aimpoint if you don't already have an optic.

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    As far as the paradigm shift idea - I'm not saying it is...I'm saying it's a possibility. Things could be changing, especially in the SBR 14.5" and under department. Why are Barrett, FN, Beretta, H&K, Colt, etc. coming out with piston systems? Why are modular/interchangeable piston systems hitting the market and growing in popularity? Why is production increasing / piston system pricing dropping due to economies of scale stemming from increased demand? Why are hundreds of companies spending millions of $ on R&D for piston systems?

    I agree that there need to be some standards, but the questions remain - who/what/when/where/how?

    We'll see how it all shakes out.

    Bryant
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    LWRC for me. My M6A2 is awesome.
    Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force. - Oliver Wendell Holmes.

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    BoringGuy45,

    Have you tried joining Ar15.com? Your questions are better suited for that forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    I want to try a piston gun. Less cleaning time. I'm all set for accessories; plus, Bravo Company DI uppers usually cost around the same price for an Adams Arms I've found.
    This answer cracks me up EVERY SINGLE TIME IT'S USED. Is that all the over whelming reason to get a piston gun? Really? I regularly take my ARs to the 3 and 4K mark with just lube and they run just fine wet and dirty.

    It is a solution in search of a problem. There is not standard upon which they are built. All pistons are not the same, have there own unique problems and deposits carbon on the other end of the gun.

    The only piston I'd consider would be an HK or FN SCAR since both are built for and used by US SOF. Unless you are shooting a lot suppressed and full auto, there is no logical reason to get a piston gun other than for shits and giggles.
    For God and the soldier we adore, In time of danger, not before! The danger passed, and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted." - Rudyard Kipling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertime View Post
    As far as the paradigm shift idea - I'm not saying it is...I'm saying it's a possibility. Things could be changing, especially in the SBR 14.5" and under department. Why are Barrett, FN, Beretta, H&K, Colt, etc. coming out with piston systems? Why are modular/interchangeable piston systems hitting the market and growing in popularity? Why is production increasing / piston system pricing dropping due to economies of scale stemming from increased demand? Why are hundreds of companies spending millions of $ on R&D for piston systems?

    I agree that there need to be some standards, but the questions remain - who/what/when/where/how?

    We'll see how it all shakes out.

    Bryant
    Because demand drives the market. The civilian market zeros in on what the military wants (convertible multi caliber firearms, some piston, some DI) then wants to be the first on the block with said weapon. For now, the demands of the ignorant masses, everyone trying to convince everyone else they should own a piston. The masses are demanding one, for no other sound, realistic reason than "It's easier to clean" or the military is interested in developing X type weapon.
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    Where are you looking that BCM uppers are running $700? Wherever it is, look elsewhere, save $200, and put that $200 into buying ammo for a class. That is what I would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    Because demand drives the market. The civilian market zeros in on what the military wants (convertible multi caliber firearms, some piston, some DI) then wants to be the first on the block with said weapon. For now, the demands of the ignorant masses, everyone trying to convince everyone else they should own a piston. The masses are demanding one, for no other sound, realistic reason than "It's easier to clean" or the military is interested in developing X type weapon.
    Bit of an oversimplification but some parts are true.
    Doesn't make one ignorant just because the old school guys still are proponents of DI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smschulz View Post
    Bit of an oversimplification but some parts are true.
    Doesn't make one ignorant just because the old school guys still are proponents of DI.
    So piston is the new wave?

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    Bass ackwards. The piston mania peaked about 2 years ago and with the advent of properly built DI guns (DD, BCM, LMT,etc, folks are wising up about expensive fads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertime View Post
    It's great to get out and try something new. You can always go back.

    Right now there are a lot of new options getting good reviews -
    FN Scar
    H&K 416/MR556
    Adams Arms
    LMT
    LWRC
    Addax (new upper out in March)
    PWS
    KAC PDW is a dual piston rifle.
    Ares Shrike is a piston system.
    COLT is now bringing a piston to the market.
    Barret REC7
    Bushy ACR

    I think I see a strong trend. They just keep on coming, and they'll keep getting better. One thing that would help PWS would be to get the charging handle off of the piston rod. They need to come out with a non-proprietary rail and a side charging upper, then I'll buy one.

    We'll laugh at all this if the US military adopts a piston as their #1 one day. Pistons are here to stay. In fact, this is quite possibly the beginning of a paradigm shift, which always leaves the majority behind up front. The first movers have the advantage in the market and then the giants come in late.

    God bless
    Bryant

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