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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Bass ackwards. The piston mania peaked about 2 years ago and with the advent of properly built DI guns (DD, BCM, LMT,etc, folks are wising up about expensive fads.
    Is it really a fad to force a piston with gas to move a carrier vs shooting gas into the chamber to do the same thing?

    You will see more and more pistons as they get better and standardized, IMO.

    A fad will die out ~ pistons have been in guns forever.

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    Yes, it is a fad to slap a piston on an AR15. I'm well aware of the history of piston rifles.

    Quote Originally Posted by smschulz View Post
    Is it really a fad to force a piston with gas to move a carrier vs shooting gas into the chamber to do the same thing?

    You will see more and more pistons as they get better and standardized, IMO.

    A fad will die out ~ pistons have been in guns forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    So piston is the new wave?
    Just bumping this one in hopes of clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smschulz View Post
    Bit of an oversimplification but some parts are true.
    For the most part, all of what I stated is true. Go to any range or gun forum, and the minute a Thread/Discussion is started on a military solicitation for some needed weaponry, the forums go ape shit trying to obtain one.

    Doesn't make one ignorant just because the old school guys still are proponents of DI.
    I never said that, because that's all I own...DI ARs, except for my AK variant. I guess I must be one of the old schoolers then. It isn't old school for guys and gals who know how to operate, run and effectively employ a DI gun. I would say those folks are the ones with knowledge and experience. The ones who buy and sing praise for weapons that historically fail or have no standards in which to measure are the ignorant Bubba crowd. I meant that as a term of endearment. Ignorance isn't a bad thing, just means you lack knowledge. Once it is obtained, you cease being a Bubba because now you know the difference between "fact vs fiction".
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    As long as there is a demand for a less accurate, more front heavy, sharper recoiling rifle, the piston will have true merit in the AR market.

    The piston would be such a ridiculous idea in the U.S. civilian gun market if 99% of civilian's didn't own AR15's that had happy switches and suppressors.

    Not only is the piston AR not gonna die a miserable death, but it's gonna spawn a new breed of piston popped pistols....aka, PPP's

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    Usually these types of thread are a waste of everyone's time, but here goes....

    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    As long as there is a demand for a less accurate, more front heavy, sharper recoiling rifle, the piston will have true merit in the AR market.
    Honest question and I'm not arguing, just trying to get you to expound on your statement... How do you reply to people that are respected on forums such as these who say the opposite about all three of those "issues?" I ask because guys like Paulosantos has a great review of a piston gun (it happens to be an LMT, but that's not necessarily important right now).

    In his review, he mentions that it's no less accurate than his DI gun, is only an ounce or two heavier, and while it does feel "different" than a DI gun, it was still a smooth shooter.

    Please understand I'm not on either "side." I'm interested in building a piston gun (for a SBR) because it's different, but I'm not locked into that idea, either.
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    No worries, I am happy to expound upon my opinion of the piston op AR. Firstly, to each there own...normally I wouldn't have commented in this thread as it has nothing to do with me, but recently there has been a number of threads with the piston talk going on which all end up having the same dialog going on in them.

    Bottom line is that the very best piston op AR will always be by it's very design less accurate...now for most and certainly all those who only shoot CL barreled D.I. carbines, the accuracy difference will never be seen or noticed more than likely. So in the end a piston starts out handicapped in the accuracy dept...no matter how slight this is in comparison to it's comparable D.I. gun.

    Secondly, no brainier...more weight up front on the piston op design, thereby a piston starts out handicapped in the weight dept....no matter how insignificant those 2-3ozs. might seem, Oz's=Lb's.

    Thirdly, again by the piston's nature it cannot be smoother shooting than it's comparable D.I. gun. Maybe some might not be bothered as badly or at all by a sharper recoil impulse and thereby saying that the piston is not a less smooth shooting rifle than the D.I. rifle, but doesn't change the facts. Again, we are handicapped from jump street with the piston in this dept. regardless of what an individuals tastes are. This can be scientifically measured...has been measured, and is now fact regardless of the margin of difference b/t the two.

    So yes, the D.I. might not be but only a fraction more accurate, softer shooting, and lighter, but nothing changes the fact that the piston cannot ever defeat the D.I. in those categories. So what is the piston replacing this with in order for me as a buyer to want it.

    The piston doesn't do anything better than the D.I., and in fact it's always gonna be at a disadvantage when compared to a D.I. It's as worthless as tits on a boar, even though tits on a boar might look cool.

    The piston op system for the AR is the same thing as the aftermarket spoiler for the rice rocket crowd...they still need spoilers even though they top out at 100mph. Has nothing to do with coolness
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    I run my LWRC M6 suppressed. But my big question is why do they say they cost more?

    I bought mine last Feb for $1350 from a LWRCi vendor for the base vender. The same price as a Colt M4 was going for at the time.

    I am still minute of man with my LWRCi same as I am with my Daniel Defenese M4.

    ffh

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    I never do say but obviously the piston op AR generally runs just as well as the D.I.

    So it's not that the piston is such a junker or bad design but rather is fix for a problem they simply doesn't exist. Moreover, and spurred by the gent's post above....how the hell are these guns $3, 4, 500 more dollars than the D.I.

    So I am not a total piston hater, I just cannot fathom paying more for a slightly less rifle imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Bass ackwards. The piston mania peaked about 2 years ago and with the advent of properly built DI guns (DD, BCM, LMT,etc, folks are wising up about expensive fads.
    Very funny...

    So you are pronouncing that the DI system was "improperly built" until 2009? So from 1960-2009 how crappy was it? I'm not saying I'll forever be 100% piston only all the way - I own/have owned DI weapon systems. I'm just saying here lately, I'm all for checking/trying out the piston systems to see how I like them. So far, I like them - I like the concept, and I can't wait to see what we will have in the market in 10 years.

    Wising up about expensive fads? I don't think so. More are coming, more are coming. Every major manufacturer besides a handful (noveske, larue, et. al.) has a piston or has a piston on the drawing board including all the ones I listed.


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