THIS REALLY PISSES ME OFF

[Honu]

shouting down someone and not allowing them their right to speech ? is that OK

also their are some laws that are supposed to protect speeches and places of speech you can protest outside etc..

[Mac5.56]

so why don't you shut up?

Because bullying people into submission is not going to solve any problems. You actually proved my point.

I understand the passion of this thread, hell it's been going on for 50 years. Why not actually create a dialogue though rather then sitting and pissing in the wind saying the same old shit that has been spouted for years? Get over it, people say and do stupid shit and in a free society we are supposed to at least accept this. If people are willing to fight and die for this very right, why get so upset when it is actually utilized? Maybe we should pass a law that we can't offend any Vets?

I always find it funny when people tell me to "shut the **** up" in a discussion about free speech and people who fought for it.

Of all the Vets I know 90% of them fought for us to have the right to disagree, say stupid shit from time to time, challenge our government and basically use our freedoms (however ignorant some of us may be with those freedoms).

Give it a rest, move on to something more worthwhile.

[SteyrAUG]

We lost the universities,as well as most important institutions in the 60s. When you make ACTUAL TERRORISTS into college professors it would be foolish to expect any other outcome.

[Mac5.56]

Your right Steyr,

Every university professor in the country is exactly the same.

[parishioner]

Because bullying people into submission is not going to solve any problems. You actually proved my point.

I understand the passion of this thread, hell it's been going on for 50 years. Why not actually create a dialogue though rather then sitting and pissing in the wind saying the same old bullshit that has been spouted for years? Get over it, people say, and do stupid shit, and in a free society, we have are supposed to be O.K. with this.

I always find it funny when people tell me to "shut the **** up", in a discussion about free speech. Most of them don't follow through when they say it to my face...

Of all the Vets I know 90% of them fought for us to all disagree, say stupid shit from time to time, challenge our government and basically use our freedoms (however ignorant some of us may be with those freedoms).

Give it a rest, move on to something more worthwhile.

I have no problem with them disagreeing. Its the way they handled the situation. It goes back to "just because you can doesn't mean you should" and what they did was inappropriate. I don't think its too damn hard to hold your comments and show a little respect to someone whose body endured 11 rounds of enemy 7.62 and spent two years recovering in a hospital.

Do I want to shut them up and take away their right to free speech? No.

Do I think the students who heckled the veteran are a bunch of ivy league assholes that exude a smug moral superiority and don't have an ounce of common courtesy? Yes.

That's all we're saying. Things happen in the world. People discuss them. Its called conversation. We will move along once we feel nothing more needs to be said. We are generally pretty good at self regulating the amount of pertinent dialogue.

The "shut up" part was basically another way of saying "take that unwarranted bullshit comment elsewhere" since nobody mentioned or hinted anything about revoking the 1st amendment. I also would have had no problem saying the same in your presence had a group of us been discussing the issue in the flesh. After all, you would get over it I presume, since people say, and do stupid shit, and in a free society, you are supposed to be O.K. with this.

[chadbag]

It is society as a whole's responsibility to self-police and let these a-holes at Columbia know that that sort of stuff is not tolerated.

Just because they legally can does not mean that it should be tolerated by society. That sort of action should lead to ostracization of those behaving in that manner.

The 1A only protects your speech from infringement by laws. It does not protect you from being called out on it by society as a whole.

We get that sort of behavior because it is tolerated.

[GermanSynergy]

Typical seditious left wing Communist behavior.

[Honu]

I took speech in college
back in the early 80s though ?

but we learned you always give the speaker the respect to speak then ask questions and if you disagree make a very strong question but always give the speaker the chance to finish

sadly I dont think that is done anymore and their is no respect

when I was in college I might not agree with my teachers but I gave them respect
when I was out I gave adults respect I could ask and disagree though was never taught to roll over and take it but give someone the respect of finishing then say your thoughts

once you stoop down to the level of shouting someone down sadly you lost all credibility IMHO at least

[Don Robison]

The 1st Amendment of the Constitution is such a pain in the ass. We should just remove it and become a state controlled by thought police.

But attempting to stifle his speech is acceptable? How so; please explain.

[mr_smiles]

But attempting to stifle his speech is acceptable? How so; please explain.

I really don't see Mac5.56 as trying to stifle any one's speech. He's commenting on people inciting violence to stop the assholes from being assholes.

As sickening as the alleged (I would like to see the video, I watched some clips from the town hall last night and don't recall any boos or shit talking) heckling was, people are within their right's to act like ass hats. Using violence to shut their hole isn't one afforded to us by the constitution.

If I'm in the grocery store with my elderly mother and some asshole makes a rude comment, I don't have the right to beat his ass no matter how infuriated I am that he's shown such disrespect towards my mother. It's called being civil, and no it's not being pc.

Just in case people read more than I wrote, something people seem to enjoy doing. I side with those who are angered by vets being treated like shit. In fact I'm angered by any decent person being treated with disrespect.