CCJA Med Training AAR (note this was a free class for Alumni)

[Gutshot John]

In addition, from what I gathered, the quik clot sponges and powder packets are suspected to cause clots, which could cause pulmonary embolisms, strokes, and other serious problems.

They all cause clots...clots are what cause the bleeding to stop, it's what all hemostats do.

[Don Robison]

They all cause clots...clots are what cause the bleeding to stop, it's what all hemostats do.

I believe he's talking about the individual granules getting in the blood stream.



This is turning into a game of who's on first.

[Gutshot John]

I believe he's talking about the individual granules getting in the blood stream.

Huh? Did you just make that up or something you got from the internet?

I'll have to see some documentation on that...like an actual clinical case.

Even still I'd bet the odds of that are so astronomical that when faced with an arterial bleed I'm still using the granules if I've got no combat gauze.

[Don Robison]

Huh? Did you just make that up or something you got from the internet?

I'll have to see some documentation on that...like an actual clinical case.

Even still I'd bet the odds of that are so astronomical that when faced with an arterial bleed I'm still using the granules if I've got no combat gauze.

I didn't say I believed it or advocated it. I said that's what I believe he's talking about because it's on the internet. More clearly stated; there is a fear that the clot or portions of the clot can break away and cause an embolism. It may or may not be possible, but if it's a choice of letting someone bleed out or chancing an embolism while stopping them from certain death. I'll take my chances.

[Gutshot John]

I didn't say I believed it or advocated it. I said that's what I believe he's talking about because it's on the internet. More clearly stated; there is a fear that the clot or portions of the clot can break away and cause an embolism.

Fair enough but that can happen irrespective of whether one uses hemostats or not. Hell you don't even have to have an open wound to throw a clot.

It's simply not a reason not to use it when faced with the very real threat of shock caused by hemorrhage. Combat Gauze is preferred, use Quik Clot if that's all you've got.

No reflection on you but I wish I could find the sources of these internet rumors...so I could smack these people upside the head...repeatedly.

[Don Robison]

Fair enough but that can happen irrespective of whether one uses hemostats or not. Hell you don't even have to have an open wound to throw a clot.

It's simply not a reason not to use it when faced with the very real threat of shock caused by hemorrhage. Combat Gauze is preferred, use Quik Clot if that's all you've got.

No reflection on you but I wish I could find the sources of these internet rumors...so I could smack these people upside the head...repeatedly.

I think the same way. I'm not going with the certain death option because death may happen with the other available option.

[DCJS Instructor]

This is why I don't post on here......




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Tom Perroni
Doc "Gwedo"

"Trust me, I'm a medic"

[Gutshot John]

Of course...that makes sense.

[chuckman]

Help me out Bro...

What information about QuickClot is inacurate?


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Tom Perroni
Doc "Gwedo"

"Trust me, I'm a medic"

The QC Combat Gauze is good to go. The older stuff had some bad ju-ju. I think I got worked up on the semantics, but many of the above posts cleared it up I think. Regardless, still sounds like a good class.

[DCJS Instructor]

Of course...that makes sense.

Bro,

The post was about a free medical class. Not the opinions of two dudes about QuickClot.

Are either of you Medics/Corpsman...EMS?

Let me help you out since my company trains this to the Military Combat Guaze & Hemcon are in everything else is out as a Hemostatic Agent.

I'm not some dude who just took a TCCC course, I teach PHTLS to SOCOM & MASOC.

http://www.z-medica.com/military/Home.aspx

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Doc "Gwedo"

"Trust me, I'm a medic"