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    Pretty sure he's talking about the Vortex. I've heard and read similar, but haven't seen it myself. Last I recall hearing or reading about it was not long after they first came out in fact.

    My vote's for the AAC, but only because I'll be getting an AAC suppressor. Otherwise I'd have no preference between the two.


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    Odd, I have never heard of an SEI manufactured Vortex bending a tine with normal use, nor 'blooming'. SEI has sold and given countless examples in various sizes from .50BMG down to 9mm to every branch of the US armed forces and are widely used to this day. This is a recent example:

    http://www.smithenterprise.com/spec/sei-50cal_rel01.pdf

    I would venture to say, the tine of a blackout is longer than on a vortex. The blackout is not much more than an extension of the old Colt three prong flash hiders - 2nd model - from the early sixties. Which by the way were superior to both the A1 and A2 models in efficacy.

    I don't doubt that the Vortex is probably one of if not the most counterfeited designs, so that may be the root cause the problems noted in his statement. Hell, even the Army stole the design, got sued by SEI, and lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coleslaw View Post
    Odd, I have never heard of an SEI manufactured Vortex bending a tine with normal use, nor 'blooming'. SEI has sold and given countless examples in various sizes from .50BMG down to 9mm to every branch of the US armed forces and are widely used to this day. This is a recent example:

    http://www.smithenterprise.com/spec/sei-50cal_rel01.pdf

    I would venture to say, the tine of a blackout is longer than on a vortex. The blackout is not much more than an extension of the old Colt three prong flash hiders - 2nd model - from the early sixties. Which by the way were superior to both the A1 and A2 models in efficacy.

    I don't doubt that the Vortex is probably one of if not the most counterfeited designs, so that may be the root cause the problems noted in his statement. Hell, even the Army stole the design, got sued by SEI, and lost.
    The only credit that should ever be given to Ron Smith is being smart enough to patent someone else's hard work and trademark the word Vortex.

    An engineer named Tim LaFrance developed the four prong flash hider as originally seen on his M16K in 1982. It was substantially the same as the one currently sold by Young Manufacturing. It in itself was a re-design of the Stoll flash hider seen on the Stg 58 in the 50's. Smith changed the angle of the slots to a six degree cant and had it patented under his girlfriends name, Sonja Sommers. He then trademarked the word Vortex and has spent the last several years suing everyone who copied his copy.

    Markm is right. It is a worthless muzzle device for a military weapon. I don't give a shit how many he has given away to GI's. It's cons are far outweighed by its one pro.
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    ^^ very interesting,..what are other cons minus is warping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterChunker View Post
    ^^ very interesting,..what are other cons minus is warping.
    Dust printing when prone.

    Can't be used on an M4 with a grenade launcher (fouls the top of the launcher barrel).

    The closed bottom of the compensator on current issue M16/M4 variants eliminamtes both of these issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK18Pilot View Post
    Dust printing when prone.

    Can't be used on an M4 with a grenade launcher (fouls the top of the launcher barrel).

    The closed bottom of the compensator on current issue M16/M4 variants eliminamtes both of these issues.
    Sorry im new to the rifle game (bought a stag carbine before i knew better). What is dust printing. Honestly I was getting it for basically a defensive/survival rifle.

    So far I have 8fde window pmags 1st gen, fde magul ctr stock, hogue rubber grip, vickers sling, h2 buffer, bravo company bcg, eotech 4x magnifier, daniel defense rear plate sling adapter, vickers padded sling. looking for a good flash suppressor next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK18Pilot View Post
    Dust printing when prone.

    Can't be used on an M4 with a grenade launcher (fouls the top of the launcher barrel).

    The closed bottom of the compensator on current issue M16/M4 variants eliminamtes both of these issues.
    Right, well when the OP gets a 203 to mount on his AR he can start worrying. For now, I think he's in the clear. It doesn't sound like he's going to be carrying a rifle and 210 rds of ammo across the Iraqi desert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonidas24 View Post
    Right, well when the OP gets a 203 to mount on his AR he can start worrying. For now, I think he's in the clear. It doesn't sound like he's going to be carrying a rifle and 210 rds of ammo across the Iraqi desert.
    lol the only time ill be doing anything close to that is if this country went into an economic collapse and had anarchy! Right now its just my first rifle to mod and take to the range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterChunker View Post
    lol the only time ill be doing anything close to that is if this country went into an economic collapse and had anarchy! Right now its just my first rifle to mod and take to the range.
    Exactly. Buy with confidence.

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    from a civilian stand point, I have fired mine prone on several occasions, many times during a carbine course, and didn't have any issues.

    If I were shooting in a sandbox, I can see how it would be a hindrance.

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