Question Your Beliefs...

[kartoffel]

And that is why it is a THEORY.

Plate tectonics is not, it is fact. And for the most part General Relativity is no longer just a theory.

Theories are not FACTS. Now there is "some evidence" to suggest String or Membrane "might" be what is going on and that evidence brings it up from the status of Scientific Idea to Scientific Theory but it is a LONG way from a proven fact.

And again it is part of the methods of reason and evidence why we simply don't accept string theory as fact.

I agree with you completely.

Of course, many an argument has come up between people who disagree as to whether certain other things* are theories vs. facts.

*evolution, Jesus, Moses, Buddha, the Holocaust, P!=NP, Yankees vs. Red Sox, gun control . . .

[theblackknight]

Your never calleda apoun to prove a negative.

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[Littlelebowski]

Boy you are a hostile little man aren't you?

I'm 5'11", 200lbs. At least a couple of dozen people on here have hung out with me in person and/or trained with me. I don't think any of them would classify me as hostile. I do respond to pompous, passive aggressive bullshit with open aggression. It's a Marine thing.

[montanadave]

As is so often the case, a bumper sticker says it all. One of my favorites:

Militant Agnostic-- I don't know and neither do you!

BTW, littlelebowski, thanks for the recommending Lord of Light in another thread a while back. I started it last night and think I'm gonna like it. I was always a Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov kinda kid back in the day-- missed out on a few good authors, Zelazny being one of them. Never too old, right?

[rickrock305]

This is true if the questioner is an agnostic.

The theist is no less unjustified in demanding proof from the atheist.

The big difference is how do you prove something doesn't exist? You can't. However you can prove something does exist.

[Littlelebowski]

BTW, littlelebowski, thanks for the recommending Lord of Light in another thread a while back. I started it last night and think I'm gonna like it. I was always a Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov kinda kid back in the day-- missed out on a few good authors, Zelazny being one of them. Never too old, right?

Agreed. I love the old scifi. Do try Use of Weapons by Banks and Thirteen by Morgan.

[Skyyr]

Creation is a belief. Evolution is a belief.

Both are theories, both require faith, and neither of them will ever be provable in this iteration of our universe. Pick what you want to believe, define your reasons for believing it, and leave it at that. Just be prepared for the consequences, if any, of your beliefs. Trying to prove one has more scientific evidence than the other based on reasoning alone is ridiculous, as it can't be done.

If you can agree on the above, you probably don't need to read the book. If you're a Christian and you think you have something on evolutionists, you need to take a Creationism class. If you're an Evolutionist and you think that an almighty Creator can't exist because he would have had to have been created by something else, you better go back and read the premises for Evolution. Both are fundamentally identical in their initial assumptions.

That is all.

[Littlelebowski]

Creationism is nowhere near being in the same class of theory as evolution. Check back into the scientific method and how the word theory is defined there.

Creationism is an attempt to rationalize mythology.

[Skyyr]

Creationism is nowhere near being in the same class of theory as evolution. Check back into the scientific method and how the word theory is defined there.

Really? You do know that, for Evolution to even be considered, it must be explained where the universe actually came from first, right? It's not a buffet where you can pick and choose what looks good. It's literally all or nothing. It's either a theory or it's a fact. There is absolutely no in-between.

There's a reason Evolution is called a "theory."

Your argument is disingenuous.

[sadmin]

Negative. Creationism is no more mythology than the belief in abiogenesis. You can take it as far back as you want, but we will both end up leaning on what our hearts tell us.