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Thread: Can you cite specific failures of piston AR's?

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    My friend in the Norwegian Royal Guard is convinced his 416 is an absolute piece of shit, multiple instances of broken gas regulators in his platoon, guns spontaneously turning into straight pull back rifles. Whether its ammo related remains to be seen.

    http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/02/25/n...tikk/15526559/

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    Given HK's reputation as being less than responsive to the needs of civilian shooters with it's customer servuce--in terms of obtaining replacement parts, etc. I'm glad now that I did not get an HK416.

    "Addressing the problem of shootings by ban or confiscation of non-criminal's guns is like addressing the problem of rape by chopping off the Johnson of everyone who DIDN't rape anyone while not only leaving the rapists' equipment intact, but giving them free viagra to boot." --Me

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    Just an observation, but whenever someone cites the fact that a certain military force issues a certain firearm and uses that as a recommendation, I remember that the Chauchaut was once standard issue with a military force as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    Just an observation, but whenever someone cites the fact that a certain military force issues a certain firearm and uses that as a recommendation, I remember that the Chauchaut was once standard issue with a military force as well.
    Good point. As was all sorts of other epic POSs, like the Reising submachinegun.

    "Addressing the problem of shootings by ban or confiscation of non-criminal's guns is like addressing the problem of rape by chopping off the Johnson of everyone who DIDN't rape anyone while not only leaving the rapists' equipment intact, but giving them free viagra to boot." --Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I agree, and get a little tired of the "look who uses what you're poopooing" argument. My needs, budget, support, application, training, etc. are not that of a military unit. While what one uses or doesn't use, failures or successes reported, and other information may be of some value in the overall analysis, in and of itself it means little to nothing.
    Keep in mind that the unit used and still uses the HK416 to replace M4s. They would not do so if the HK416 was less reliable or less durable as the M4.

    If the KK416 platform was nearly as problem plagued as some people suggest it would have been a flash in the pan.


    In my own use of about 5K rounds, I have found it to be more reliable and less problem plagued than the S&W M&P9 & 45, both of which have suffered parts breakage and malfunctions in a similar or lower round count. And the M&P platform is considered a favorite of many people on this messageboard.
    Last edited by Ed L.; 03-02-11 at 15:51.

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    You lost me.

    You're comparing the reliability of a 5.56 carbine to a 9mm and .45 handgun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    You lost me.

    You're comparing the reliability of a 5.56 carbine to a 9mm and .45 handgun?
    Not a direct comparison. I am just saying that my 416 has proven to be far less problematical than handguns that people routinely praise here.

    To quote M4 Guru:

    Quote Originally Posted by M4Guru View Post
    Military units with the latitude to test and choose literally any system...M4, Sig 55X, AK, WHATEVER....spent millions of dollars to determine that this was the best rifle. No lowest bidder that meets the standard, no Congressman trying to get dollars to his district, just simple performance at any cost. This gun (the 416) won. It was truly the best.

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    No, he's anecdotally describing comparitive initial platform malfunctions and relaibility issues as a stand-alone topic, and trying to malke it work while limiting it to individual experience and limiting THAT to within the percieved preferences of a narrow segment of the internet.

    Kind of a stretch just to get to a glittering generality: that everything new has a shakedown period.

    I see where the statement is going, but that's a bad argument to use on folks who can break it down to its component parts.
    Contractor scum, AAV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post
    No, he's anecdotally describing comparitive initial platform malfunctions and relaibility issues as a stand-alone topic, and trying to malke it work while limiting it to individual experience and limiting THAT to within the percieved preferences of a narrow segment of the internet.
    Well, we've had other people sharing their individual experiences with the HK416 . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    Keep in mind that the unit used and still uses the HK416 to replace M4s. They would not do so if the HK416 was less reliable or less durable as the M4.

    If the KK416 platform was nearly as problem plagued as some people suggest it would have been a flash in the pan.


    In my own use of about 5K rounds, I have found it to be more reliable and less problem plagued than the S&W M&P9 & 45, both of which have suffered parts breakage and malfunctions in a similar or lower round count. And the M&P platform is considered a favorite of many people on this messageboard.
    Sometimes even if something does not live up to the hype, might work or might not, the higher ups might just keep on using something to save face.

    Not saying that the HK 416 is good or bad, but even if it had a less than stellar record, some would still crow about it.

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