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    My experience was during the buying frenzy & I had to have an AR. I got lucky with a deal on a complete CMMG lower with a collapsible stock & am thrilled with it. My upper was bought pretty much out of desperation {BoHo was just elected}. All were good parts, but it equaled a beast in terms of weight. I went to a class, ran by our friend Jeff Franz & was there to get ideas on gear. I got a good hard lesson in more ways than I could ever have done on my own. I bought premium gear after that. Now this has it's own drawbacks in that I should've just gotten a BCM flattop carbine & bought ammo & gone to classes with the money saved. BRD is great, but you have to weigh in what you need & what you do not. Otherwise on both accounts, your wasting money unless you have the cash to do so. Buy middle of the road {from the chart} & buy top tier BCG, TPG, & BUIS if your strapped for cash.

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    Wow, you need more AR time. You can get a totally reliable well made MP/HP tested AR for $800. No reason to spend $1500-$2500 to have something go bang every time and shoot 1" groups. In fact to a point money has nothing to do with it other than for show.

    Though I've thought about the SCAR in 308, the 556 is over priced, NO parts, they are a bit long and bulky too. Go shoot one and then some good factory built AR's and see if it's worth the cash and lack of parts and aftermarket.

    I always go back to AR's they work for me and all those cheap parts and aftermarket is a huge plus. If you don't have a collection, get a common style rifle first to save your butt with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnoe82 View Post
    It was from a local "custom" shop. I just took some advice that ended up costing me in the long run.
    I'm from E TN as well. I have a feeling I know which local "shop" you are refering too (maybe, maybe not). You really should go with a top end AR, you will be glad you did. For the price of a SCAR you should be able to pruchase a high end AR and fully kit it out to your desire/needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian1/75 View Post
    With that buttstock that allows AR buttstocks to be attached, and extended rails now out, I'd probably get the SCAR. It's a good weapon system and SOCOM not going with it is a logistic issue. With that said, I've got a AR that I pieced together that's pretty much a Crane issued MK18 Mod1 and I won't be selling it for the little gains the SCAR gets you.
    Please explain how it is a logistic issue. If it were a logistic issue I would think SOCOM's adoption of the SCAR-H would present the same problems. Not trying to bust your OO's but I've read/heard 3-4 different reports that SOCOM dropped the SCAR-L because it did not offer any/enough advantages to justify it's premium over the M4. However if you have some knowledge I have not heard before please share.

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    I can't tell you what you should buy but based on my experiences I would say go with a nice AR. I don't run a shooting school or design guns but after being issued SOPMODed M4s, a Mk-16 and a Mk-17 in the last few years and spending way too much money on my own stable of ARs and parts I would prefer the AR build you described over a just about anything. I don't see the SCAR as being better, just different and more expensive.

    In my experience you want a reliable, rugged, functional, sufficiently accurate platform and then start shaving off weight. The AR build that you describe, minus the UBR (heavy), pretty much matches my thoughts on what makes the perfect all around carbine. The TRX Extreme is awesome, the Battlecomp is awesome, and a lightweight midlength BCM is awesome. Put them all together and you have a reliable lightweight carbine that just feels "right". I find the SCAR long, tall, and a little clumsy compared to my AR and whole idea of a quick change barrel system is dubious. Less is more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhs1969 View Post
    SOCOM dropped the SCAR-L because it did not offer any/enough advantages to justify it's premium over the M4.
    i.e. a logistics issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhs1969 View Post
    Please explain how it is a logistic issue. If it were a logistic issue I would think SOCOM's adoption of the SCAR-H would present the same problems. Not trying to bust your OO's but I've read/heard 3-4 different reports that SOCOM dropped the SCAR-L because it did not offer any/enough advantages to justify it's premium over the M4. However if you have some knowledge I have not heard before please share.
    I lumped finances with logistics, but having a proprietary weapon system that nobody else in theater uses is obviously problematic. The SCAR-H doesn't have a big Army comparative.

    A Ranger Battalion generally might have 1 or 2 armorers in theater actually capable of fixing all the weapon systems and carrying parts. That said Ranger Battalion is scattered all the **** over two countries. If he runs out of parts, he can order more through a clerk or even visit a TACOM shop or borrow from some nearby unit. Now if he's got some exclusive weapon system, say like a Mk48, he might just be shit out of luck. That's not really that big of a deal because someone could suddenly lug around a 240 and there's really own 3 gunners per platoon anyways and we might not even be using all of them. Now if everybody is carrying SCARs, that's 20 something dudes per platoon. He can't visit TACOM, he can't order class 9 parts, he's ****ed, and the platoons ****ed. Take that a step further, if a M4 lower receiver becomes deadlined, he can take it to TACOM and get a one for one trade. Since TACOM won't support the SCAR, it's not so. What I said is even more true for some ODA in a remote location.

    That might not be in some SOCOM report, but it's a clear disadvantage of the SCAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian1/75 View Post
    I lumped finances with logistics, but having a proprietary weapon system that nobody else in theater uses is obviously problematic. The SCAR-H doesn't have a big Army comparative.

    A Ranger Battalion generally might have 1 or 2 armorers in theater actually capable of fixing all the weapon systems and carrying parts. That said Ranger Battalion is scattered all the **** over two countries. If he runs out of parts, he can order more through a clerk or even visit a TACOM shop or borrow from some nearby unit. Now if he's got some exclusive weapon system, say like a Mk48, he might just be shit out of luck. That's not really that big of a deal because someone could suddenly lug around a 240 and there's really own 3 gunners per platoon anyways and we might not even be using all of them. Now if everybody is carrying SCARs, that's 20 something dudes per platoon. He can't visit TACOM, he can't order class 9 parts, he's ****ed, and the platoons ****ed. Take that a step further, if a M4 lower receiver becomes deadlined, he can take it to TACOM and get a one for one trade. Since TACOM won't support the SCAR, it's not so. What I said is even more true for some ODA in a remote location.

    That might not be in some SOCOM report, but it's a clear disadvantage of the SCAR.
    Gotcha, I had not seen this aspect addressed before and had not considered it. Thank you for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkmckinley View Post
    I can't tell you what you should buy but based on my experiences I would say go with a nice AR. I don't run a shooting school or design guns but after being issued SOPMODed M4s, a Mk-16 and a Mk-17 in the last few years and spending way too much money on my own stable of ARs and parts I would prefer the AR build you described over a just about anything. I don't see the SCAR as being better, just different and more expensive.

    In my experience you want a reliable, rugged, functional, sufficiently accurate platform and then start shaving off weight. The AR build that you describe, minus the UBR (heavy), pretty much matches my thoughts on what makes the perfect all around carbine. The TRX Extreme is awesome, the Battlecomp is awesome, and a lightweight midlength BCM is awesome. Put them all together and you have a reliable lightweight carbine that just feels "right". I find the SCAR long, tall, and a little clumsy compared to my AR and whole idea of a quick change barrel system is dubious. Less is more.
    Thanks for the info.

    As silly as this sounds I eliminated the lighter weight CTR stock because of a personal issue. I don't know if it was something wrong with the one I have or what but EVERY time I pull the trigger with on my AR with the CTR it freaking pulls out my beard! I'm not exaggerating I would pull my face away from the rifle and there would be a handful of beard hairs under the lip of the CTR pinned to the buffer tube. Anybody else had that issue? I know it sounds silly but I'm not real big on pulling my hair out when I'm trying to have fun.

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    ive never been a fan of the 5.56 round, so now that the 7.62 scars are available id go with that for sure.
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