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    What do you think of the new Army APFT?

    We've been hearing rumors about the new APFT for awhile now. It's a hell of lot more complex than the old APFT.

    Do you think it will better asses Soldier fitness?

    http://www.army.mil/-news/2011/03/03...eadline-title7

    FORT JACKSON, S.C. (Army News Service, March 2, 2011) -- For the first time since 1980, the Army's physical fitness test is being overhauled. It will be replaced by both the Physical Readiness Test and the Army Combat Readiness Test.

    Over the next few months, the two tests will be conducted at eight installations as part of a pilot program, where standards will be also developed. The new tests could go Army-wide in October, said Lt. Gen. Mark P. Hertling, deputy commanding general of the U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Initial Military Training, at Fort Monroe, Va.

    "Today's PT test does not adequately measure components of strength, endurance, or mobility," Hertling said.

    Hertling and Frank Palkoska, director of the Army's Physical Fitness School, began discussing the need for better physical fitness tests while together at West Point's department of physical education in the early 1980s. But it was the progression of sports science that led to development of the new APRT and ACRT.

    "We needed to come up with a program for the incoming young Soldiers who were not as focused on health, fitness and nutrition," Hertling said.

    The two tests align with the new Army Physical Readiness Training program, outlined in Training Circular 3-22.20, that began Army-wide implementation in August.

    The new training involves anaerobic exercise.

    Used by athletes to promote strength, speed and power and by body builders to build muscle mass, anaerobic exercise leads to greater performance in short duration, high-intensity activities.

    Aerobic exercise includes lower intensity activities performed for longer periods of time.

    The Army, said Hertling, has been on an ebb and flow of physical fitness training for the last 60 to 70 years.

    "Every time prior to combat, our fitness regimen and fitness testing is very different to what we do after we've experienced combat. But right after Vietnam, some of the fitness mavens, like Ken Cooper, sold the military on aerobic training. But this isn't necessarily the way we do things in combat," Hertling said.

    One of the initial concerns on changing the test, Hertling said, anticipated comments such as 'why are we changing? It's been good enough for 30 years.'

    "In fact, just the opposite is happening. Soldiers enjoy a challenge and many have come up to me and said, 'thank you for fighting for these changes,'" Hertling said.

    The old test required completion of three events: two minutes of push-ups, two minutes of sit-ups and a two-mile run.

    The new APRT has five events:

    -- 60-yard shuttle run measures lower body muscular strength and anaerobic power, assessing speed, agility and coordination
    -- 1-minute rower (variation of a sit-up) measures total body muscular endurance and assesses total body coordination
    -- Standing long jump measures lower body muscular strength and assesses lower body power
    -- 1-minute push-up measures upper body muscular endurance and assesses trunk stability
    -- 1.5-mile run measures lower body muscular endurance and aerobic capacity and assesses speed stability

    The new ACRT has five events:

    -- 400-meter run assesses upper body muscular endurance and anaerobic power, coordination, speed, and stability
    -- Individual movement techniques assess upper and lower body muscular endurance, agility, balance, coordination, speed and stability
    -- Ammo can shuttle sprint assesses total body muscular strength and endurance, agility, coordination, speed, stability, and power
    -- Casualty drag assesses total body muscular strength and endurance, agility, coordination, speed, stability, and power
    -- Agility sprint assesses lower body anaerobic power, speed and power

    In order to develop these tests, Hertling asked Palkoska to look both inside and outside the Army for subject-matter experts to help develop a test which is gender neutral and age specific.

    Experts on the advisory board include Dr. Chip East, professor of physical education at West Point; Dr. Neal Bumgartner, program director of Air Education and Training Command at Randolph Air Force Base,Texas; and Tim Bockleman, sports medicine coordinator at the Marine Corp's Parris Island.

    "Also, we couldn't develop a test that required buying equipment," Hertling said. "All you need is a track and some graders to administer the test."

    Following the APRT portion, participant Danica Foster, an instructor at the Army Physical Fitness School at Fort Jackson, had only one piece of advice, "get in better shape."

    After taking the ACRT portion, Sgt. 1st Class Cornelius Trammell, also an instructor at the school, had one thought on his mind: "My quads are on fire," he said. "I consider myself in great shape and always do well in distance running, but this was a challenge and made me breathe hard."

    "This is what anaerobic training is all about," Hertling said. "It's like a boxer in the first and second round, just like in combat with all the stress and before you can relax and take in oxygen."

    The proposed pilot test sites are: Fort Leonard Wood, Mo.; Fort Benning, Ga.; Fort Sill, Okla.; Fort Jackson, S.C.; Fort Bliss, Texas; West Point, N.Y.; Fort Bragg, N.C.; and Fort Lewis, Wash.
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    looks fun!

    This ought to get CDR's and NCO's thinking out of the box as far as physical fitness goes, and may open some doors to Crossfit and whatever Regiment is doing with their warrior athlete program that I’ve been hearing about.
    Personally, I think this looks like fun, and will be a whole lot different than the normal PUI/ SUI/ and group run that doesn't accommodate troops in better cardio condition.
    If we can do this and get past the uniform identity crisis, I could see myself loving the Army again.
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    Looks good to me. Seems to favor anaerobic testing, which i think is a good thing, of course it also has an aerobic test too (god i hate the 1.5m tests).

    I think the best thing to see is that they are able to say "maybe we can do this better (testing)". From what i've heard (i'm not former mil.) is that some mil. are stuck in their ways when it comes to pt.

    Now if only some PD's would do the same.

    Funny story thats a bit off topic, last saturday i tested for a Tx PD and found the physical fitness of some applicants to be sad. We lost two people (out of 9!) on situps and pushups. The standards were 30situps and 22pushups in one minute...lol. I felt sorry for them, why would you show up if you couldnt do the minimum....and these guys werent CLOSE.

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    It might be my Marine bias speaking, but I think they should up the run to three miles--a run is the best thing, PT-wise, for making an individual reach deep down in himself for intestinal fortitude and heart.

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    Good, the old APFT had no bearing on who really could do the jobs soldiers had to do. It only rewarded those who were do the three events well and to some Officers and NCO's PT was the only thing they cared about.
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    As prior Army, this change is a long time coming and it's unfortunate it has taken 10 years after the start of the conflict to reach the institutional level. This style of PT test has been validated (more comprehensively) with Ranger Battalion.

    If there was one event I was hoping for it would have been the standard Marine Corps pull-up and standards. Looking back at my individual (and the collective) experiences:

    -The ability to pull your self up is a much more 'functional' exercise. Conversely, I can not honestly remember a time where I 'pushed' myself off the ground or anything else with a 'push-up' movement (operationally).

    -'Many' people (from my observations in the military) who can do well (say 270 or above) on an Army standard PT test wouldn't come close to maxing pull-ups given a Marine Corps grading scale. However, show me someone who can max pull-ups (20 or more dead hang), and I'd be willing to bet they could do a fair amount of push-ups. It has always appeared to me that pull-ups were a much better predictor of overall functional fitness than the push-up (besides the fact that it is a much more practical movement). Again, my observations and opinions are worth as much as you paid for them.

    Bottom line, I simply feel that if we are going to assess soldiers according to 'functional'/'real-world' (I hate that word. What is 'not real-world'?) standards, then not at least including the pull up for me is a major disappointment.

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    Well I dont like it. I would have liked to see pull ups and dips in their with a run and a ruck
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    Quote Originally Posted by winfield813@yahoo.com View Post
    It might be my Marine bias speaking, but I think they should up the run to three miles--a run is the best thing, PT-wise, for making an individual reach deep down in himself for intestinal fortitude and heart.
    That and pullups. Of course, I'm also a fan of swim quals (something Big Army does not know anything about) being done at the same interval at PFTs in the Corps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winfield813@yahoo.com View Post
    It might be my Marine bias speaking, but I think they should up the run to three miles--a run is the best thing, PT-wise, for making an individual reach deep down in himself for intestinal fortitude and heart.

    And that is a test of PHYSICAL FITNESS how? A psychological test yes, physical not sure...

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    3 miles for time is no joke and is indeed a test of physical fitness, J-Dub.

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