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Thread: Objective look at Spike's SAR Rail

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    hey

    Quote Originally Posted by v-j View Post
    The OP was asking about the SAR rail and repeated it. Whats not to get.
    Vaj quit trolling for arguments!
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    I'm a thin film metallurgist, and Ti should be extremely stable at hi temp. Al is the one to watch out for at lowrr temperatures. A far as threads seizing, spalling abd the like, that lies outside my area. The only drawback to Ti is it can get pricey. And its ppowder likes to start on fire.

    FYI we got Al to flow before its melting point of 600C. It was in high prrssure ovens, but there was serious migration, even at 300c.

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    Spike's Quality issues and CS issues aside...

    The SAR rail looks more like it is designed to look cool vs actual function IMHO.

    The side rails do not go all the way to the ends where it would be needed most, instead it has nice purdy contours to look cool.

    IMHO The "Lightening holes" are too large and could be a chinese finger trap for those with smaller fingers, especially in a stressful situation, which could have a pretty severe outcome. Again it appears these large holes are for looks and possible bragging rights at being light??.. just a guess.

    The quality of the attachment details are sub-standard with welds that looked like I did it (see pics)..LOL

    All in all a "Cool" looking rail, and may or may not be the lightest Quad rail available,... but it does appear to be the least functional and least quality of the quad rails available in that category.

    I'll pass...



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    Quote Originally Posted by 928M4 View Post
    Spike's Quality issues and CS issues aside...

    The SAR rail looks more like it is designed to look cool vs actual function IMHO.

    The side rails do not go all the way to the ends where it would be needed most, instead it has nice purdy contours to look cool.

    IMHO The "Lightening holes" are too large and could be a chinese finger trap for those with smaller fingers, especially in a stressful situation, which could have a pretty severe outcome. Again it appears these large holes are for looks and possible bragging rights at being light??.. just a guess.

    The quality of the attachment details are sub-standard with welds that looked like I did it (see pics)..LOL

    All in all a "Cool" looking rail, and may or may not be the lightest Quad rail available,... but it does appear to be the least functional and least quality of the quad rails available in that category.

    I'll pass...



    Daniel Defense Lite rails have welds. Cleaner and not as noticeable but they are there (as Spikes is quick to point out on TOS)

    Could the holes be large enough to allow your fingers to touch the barrel?

    I'm guessing the torx mounting screws go into helicoils.

    Even if I wanted one which I'm thinking I won't, they are still very pricey with all of these issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqwerl View Post
    Daniel Defense Lite rails have welds. Cleaner and not as noticeable but they are there (as Spikes is quick to point out on TOS)

    Could the holes be large enough to allow your fingers to touch the barrel?

    I'm guessing the torx mounting screws go into helicoils.

    Even if I wanted one which I'm thinking I won't, they are still very pricey with all of these issues.
    No doubt you can touch the barrel depending on finger size...and even some men less blessed than me could stick their di...... , err, nevermind :-)

    Yeah, there is a "slight' difference in welds. I also find it interesting that another Lite rail that comes out long after DD's Lite rail that has to have welds in the same basic area for the same reason (separately machined mounting base)......very interesting indeed.

    But I bet they aren't too quick to mention that on TOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 928M4 View Post
    Spike's Quality issues and CS issues aside...

    The SAR rail looks more like it is designed to look cool vs actual function IMHO.

    The side rails do not go all the way to the ends where it would be needed most, instead it has nice purdy contours to look cool.

    IMHO The "Lightening holes" are too large and could be a chinese finger trap for those with smaller fingers, especially in a stressful situation, which could have a pretty severe outcome. Again it appears these large holes are for looks and possible bragging rights at being light??.. just a guess.

    The quality of the attachment details are sub-standard with welds that looked like I did it (see pics)..LOL

    All in all a "Cool" looking rail, and may or may not be the lightest Quad rail available,... but it does appear to be the least functional and least quality of the quad rails available in that category.

    I'll pass...





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    I have drank the Daniel Defense, KAC, and Troy/VTAC kool-aid, and I like it. Those are some rails for serious users, especially the former two.

    It seems like Spike's had two goals with these rails: (1) cut weight, (2) look cool. The piccatinny rails do not look like they are tall enough to meet the spec, they don't extend all the way to the front, and they almost look fragile. I'll pass, especially since we have ultra-light offerings from Centurion Arms now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    I have drank the Daniel Defense, KAC, and Troy/VTAC kool-aid, and I like it. Those are some rails for serious users, especially the former two.

    It seems like Spike's had two goals with these rails: (1) cut weight, (2) look cool. The piccatinny rails do not look like they are tall enough to meet the spec, they don't extend all the way to the front, and they almost look fragile. I'll pass, especially since we have ultra-light offerings from Centurion Arms now.
    Yes, the new Centurion Arms rails look good from what I have seen in pictures. I like some of the details, especially down in front of the pivot pin area. looks like there will be less interference with the lower receiver than some other rails...and they did a nice job of making it functional and look good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 928M4 View Post
    Yes, the new Centurion Arms rails look good from what I have seen in pictures. I like some of the details, especially down in front of the pivot pin area. looks like there will be less interference with the lower receiver than some other rails...and they did a nice job of making it functional and look good.
    It's a phenomenal rail when you see it in person. I bought one but unfortunately I'm having to sell it fairly cheap. It's a 12" over in the equipment exchange.

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