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    I picked up a ST-22 complete .22LR upper with the SAR rail and I'm impressed with it so far. Looks good, feels good and seems light. The machining on them is excellent. There is a small tab just below the upper rail that aligns the rail with the upper. Seems to be perfectly aligned, nice touch. It's no better than DD or LaRue, it's no worse either IMO. Only thing I'm not happy with is the QD swivels, they do not have anti-rotation limiters so the QD can spin freely. Other than that, it's a nice rail.

    ETA - I have rails from all three, DD/LaRue/Spikes so I am basing my observations on experience with them all.
    Full disclosure - I am an Engineering Supervisor at Trijicon, Inc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullitt5172 View Post
    I picked up a ST-22 complete .22LR upper with the SAR rail and I'm impressed with it so far. Looks good, feels good and seems light. The machining on them is excellent. There is a small tab just below the upper rail that aligns the rail with the upper. Seems to be perfectly aligned, nice touch. It's no better than DD or LaRue, it's no worse either IMO. Only thing I'm not happy with is the QD swivels, they do not have anti-rotation limiters so the QD can spin freely. Other than that, it's a nice rail.

    ETA - I have rails from all three, DD/LaRue/Spikes so I am basing my observations on experience with them all.
    So will the rifle open on the hinge pin as far as the others? That was my main concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Goodtimes View Post
    I wouldn't buy anything from Spikes. I've done business with them and wont be doing any more in the future. I'd go with something of known quality. The DD rails are really nice as are Larue. I personally love Larue. If weight was a concern I'd go with a DD Lite Rail.
    Why dont you like spikes?
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    I wouldnt listen to BCMjunkie. His brown camo clashes like hell with his surroundings. His surroundings are obviously pinkish and lacey and have big hooties.

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    Read his thread entitled, "MY TERRIBLE FIRST BUILD THANKS TO SPIKES TACTICAL". He got jerked around pretty good by their CS. I dont blame him for not giving them any future business. Granted, they claimed that the employee he dealt with quit his job in the midst of the transaction, but still. I woulda been pissed.

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    I ONLY started this thread to discuss the pros and cons of their rail not the company itself. Please keep it related to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhanna91 View Post
    Read his thread entitled, "MY TERRIBLE FIRST BUILD THANKS TO SPIKES TACTICAL". He got jerked around pretty good by their CS. I dont blame him for not giving them any future business. Granted, they claimed that the employee he dealt with quit his job in the midst of the transaction, but still. I woulda been pissed.
    Wow. That woulda pissed me off too. Poor guy. I dont think I could have been that calm. I have what doctors call a little bit of an "anger problem". I feel like a piece of shit now for having a good experiences wit Spikes lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Split66 View Post
    I wouldnt listen to BCMjunkie. His brown camo clashes like hell with his surroundings. His surroundings are obviously pinkish and lacey and have big hooties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhanna91 View Post
    Read his thread entitled, "MY TERRIBLE FIRST BUILD THANKS TO SPIKES TACTICAL". He got jerked around pretty good by their CS. I dont blame him for not giving them any future business. Granted, they claimed that the employee he dealt with quit his job in the midst of the transaction, but still. I woulda been pissed.
    That wasn't me but I had a similar shity experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCmJUnKie View Post
    Why dont you like spikes?
    Without derailing this thread too bad, heres why....

    I decided to buy my first upper reciever during the huge scare right after the annointed one was elected. I had always wanted an AR-15 and decided that if Obama got elected I was going to go ahead and buy one; even though I didn't really have the disposable income. I figured I would eat some ramen for a month.

    My dad had bought a Spikes Tactical complete upper as well as a stripped lower and LPK from them (I'll ellaborate on this later). I saw his and saw that the "fit and finish" was awesome. I read around on TOS and saw all the rave reviews about Spikes. People were saying they were nicer than Colt, much better than bushmaster etc... I didn't know what the hell milspec was but I knew thats what you wanted.

    I called up sikes and asked them some questions, one of which was "is your rifle milspec?" They claimed it was. I was trusting in that these people that build these things for a living know what they're talking about. I went ahead and bought my upper from them.

    My upper came with:

    Barrel: 16in M4 profile 1/7 twist MP w/ M4 cuts
    FSB: F marked
    Upper Receiver: M4 cut
    BCG: AR-15 Carrier, gas key not properly staked, no HP or MPI on the bolt. Blue extractor insert.

    Before finding this site I also decided to purchase a Larue 7.0 rail and install it my self. I was not able to hammer out the taper pins; one came out, however, the other was too stuborn.

    So I called up my buddies at spikes to see if they could do it. "Sure we can do it, send us the rail and upper and we will have it done within the week." I was quoted a $60 price. This was on a monday morning. Friday rolls around and I have recieved no tracking number that my upper was shipped, no upper, and no phone call about what the situation is on it.

    The following monday I call the shop and am told they were unable to get the taper pin out. The only option is a new barrel, or to cut the FSB off and replace with a flip up FSB. Well WTF? I don't have money for a new barrel, and the reason I ordered a 7.0 and not an 11.0 was so I could keep my FSB.

    I ask what a good flip up FSB is and the guy recommends a... wait for it... Yankee Hill Machine flip up FSB. I ask "Is this a sturdy option? This is a serious use rifle that needs to be 110% reliable." The rep responded that it was very sturdy and ther was no way the screws would work their way loose. I give them the go ahead.

    A week and $180.00 later I have my upper back and take it to the range for a nice day of shooting. 500 ish rounds later my rifle starts short stroking. I check the FSB, it's canted. After letting the rifle cool down I notice three of the four allen screws are able to be removed by hand. They were never even loctited with red loctite or rockset.

    I call Spikes back and am told by a different person "Oh no, the Yankee Hill Machine clamp on FSB is not for serious use, there must have been a misunderstanding." Spikes offered to SELL me a new barrel with FSB. I'll pass. I start looking around at Colts and ran across this website when searching for Colt 6920.

    It didnt take long to discover that I got raped by Spikes (twice) without even the common courtesy of a reach around. I will never buy ANYTHING from Spikes Tactical again after those experiences.

    Here are some other gyms:

    - I saw them at a gun show selling DD uppers on their lowers claiming them as their own.

    - They told my dad that his 1/9 CL upper with no HPI, MPI barrel or bolt was milspec and that the CMMG 2 stage trigger they wold him was better than an overpriced Gisselle.

    -I saw them in the local gun shop sometime last year trying to pimp their garbage to the owner. They were all wearing 9in boots with their chocolate chip camo bottoms bloused. They looked like a bunch of ass clowns.

    -There is a thread some where on here where either the owner or one of their reps has a total meltdown after getting called out about no adhearing to the milspec.

    So... Thats why I dont buy from spikes, and thats why I think Spikes is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Goodtimes View Post
    That wasn't me but I had a similar shity experience.



    Without derailing this thread too bad, heres why....

    I decided to buy my first upper reciever during the huge scare right after the annointed one was elected. I had always wanted an AR-15 and decided that if Obama got elected I was going to go ahead and buy one; even though I didn't really have the disposable income. I figured I would eat some ramen for a month.

    My dad had bought a Spikes Tactical complete upper as well as a stripped lower and LPK from them (I'll ellaborate on this later). I saw his and saw that the "fit and finish" was awesome. I read around on TOS and saw all the rave reviews about Spikes. People were saying they were nicer than Colt, much better than bushmaster etc... I didn't know what the hell milspec was but I knew thats what you wanted.

    I called up sikes and asked them some questions, one of which was "is your rifle milspec?" They claimed it was. I was trusting in that these people that build these things for a living know what they're talking about. I went ahead and bought my upper from them.

    My upper came with:

    Barrel: 16in M4 profile 1/7 twist MP w/ M4 cuts
    FSB: F marked
    Upper Receiver: M4 cut
    BCG: AR-15 Carrier, gas key not properly staked, no HP or MPI on the bolt. Blue extractor insert.

    Before finding this site I also decided to purchase a Larue 7.0 rail and install it my self. I was not able to hammer out the taper pins; one came out, however, the other was too stuborn.

    So I called up my buddies at spikes to see if they could do it. "Sure we can do it, send us the rail and upper and we will have it done within the week." I was quoted a $60 price. This was on a monday morning. Friday rolls around and I have recieved no tracking number that my upper was shipped, no upper, and no phone call about what the situation is on it.

    The following monday I call the shop and am told they were unable to get the taper pin out. The only option is a new barrel, or to cut the FSB off and replace with a flip up FSB. Well WTF? I don't have money for a new barrel, and the reason I ordered a 7.0 and not an 11.0 was so I could keep my FSB.

    I ask what a good flip up FSB is and the guy recommends a... wait for it... Yankee Hill Machine flip up FSB. I ask "Is this a sturdy option? This is a serious use rifle that needs to be 110% reliable." The rep responded that it was very sturdy and ther was no way the screws would work their way loose. I give them the go ahead.

    A week and $180.00 later I have my upper back and take it to the range for a nice day of shooting. 500 ish rounds later my rifle starts short stroking. I check the FSB, it's canted. After letting the rifle cool down I notice three of the four allen screws are able to be removed by hand. They were never even loctited with red loctite or rockset.

    I call Spikes back and am told by a different person "Oh no, the Yankee Hill Machine clamp on FSB is not for serious use, there must have been a misunderstanding." Spikes offered to SELL me a new barrel with FSB. I'll pass. I start looking around at Colts and ran across this website when searching for Colt 6920.

    It didnt take long to discover that I got raped by Spikes (twice) without even the common courtesy of a reach around. I will never buy ANYTHING from Spikes Tactical again after those experiences.

    Here are some other gyms:

    - I saw them at a gun show selling DD uppers on their lowers claiming them as their own.

    - They told my dad that his 1/9 CL upper with no HPI, MPI barrel or bolt was milspec and that the CMMG 2 stage trigger they wold him was better than an overpriced Gisselle.

    -I saw them in the local gun shop sometime last year trying to pimp their garbage to the owner. They were all wearing 9in boots with their chocolate chip camo bottoms bloused. They looked like a bunch of ass clowns.

    -There is a thread some where on here where either the owner or one of their reps has a total meltdown after getting called out about no adhearing to the milspec.

    So... Thats why I dont buy from spikes, and thats why I think Spikes is a joke.
    The OP was asking about the SAR rail and repeated it. Whats not to get.
    Last edited by v-j; 03-11-11 at 10:32.

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    Never mind
    Last edited by Nightvisionary; 03-11-11 at 04:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v-j View Post
    The OP was asking about the SAR rail and repeated it. Whats not to get.
    Because someone asked him to. Pretty simple, actually.

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