Federal "Flight Control Loads" Anybody tried them?

[toddackerman]

I sold (Like an idipt) my genuine "Scattergun Technologies" Shotty about a year ago. I had a Vang Comp and port job on it and it through patterns as tight as a Nun's habit!

I now have an 18" Remington, 870 IC Rifle Sighted barrel. (BTW...I love the rifle sights compared to Ghost Rings. Very accurate out to 100 yds. and very quick for me.)

Anyway...I really miss the 15 yd. 4" groups with Federel Tactical 00 Buck through that gun, and I have overheard similar results about this new ammo without a modification needed to improve the tightness of the pattern. I don't expect 4" at 15 yds. but all the pellets centered in the body area at 25 yds. would be great

What say those of you that have actually tried it?

It's pretty available from Ammoman at $100 for 50 rounds. I wouldn't use it for training, but it would be nice to have some in the SHTF box.

Thanks!

Tack

[ST911]

Recommended.

Federal Tactical 9-pellet OOB, Moss 590 (20"), 15yds:



Same load and gun, 25yds:

[MTR7]

I have some time testing this ammo. I tested the 2 3/4 inch, 12 gauge standard power 00 buck in a Moss. 590, M1 Super 90, Beretta 1201. All are IC choke guns, the Moss 590 is Vang comped. My tested was caused by my need to pattern my guns for a Stage Two Y.F.A. shotgun course that I just took. Please keep in mind that this is not conclusive, I do not have percentages or spread sheets. Patterns were measured based on a pre centered eight inch circle (the hit zone for a human)

The Test:
Pattern on target at distance.
Target IDPA Option type
Distances tested; 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 yards.
Five shots per ammo type, gun and distance
Guns were shot from a bench with a sand bag
Tested over three sessions

Ammo tested all OO buck:

Rem. standard
Rem. low recoil
Hornady Tap
Winchester standard
Winchester Ranger Low recoil
Winchester Black box prem.
Wolf
S&B
Fed. Prem. about two years old
Fed Prem. Flight control full power
Breneke (sic.?)
Fiochi (sic.) plated

Five round groups were fired at each distance.

The winner was the Fed. flight control, tap was second. Note that the Vanged Moss. gun would keep all nine pellets on a target at 40 yards. Way too far for buckshot, but interesting to see it happen.

Please remember that ever shot gun barrel is unique(Louis Awerbuck's knowledge not mine). The only thing that I have seen throw a tighter pattern is the Choke round and Poly shock round (LE only). And no I do not want to ever test this much 12 gauge again from a bench.

Hope this helps
Matthew

[toddackerman]

I have some time testing this ammo. I tested the 2 3/4 inch, 12 gauge standard power 00 buck in a Moss. 590, M1 Super 90, Beretta 1201. All are IC choke guns, the Moss 590 is Vang comped. My tested was caused by my need to pattern my guns for a Stage Two Y.F.A. shotgun course that I just took. Please keep in mind that this is not conclusive, I do not have percentages or spread sheets. Patterns were measured based on a pre centered eight inch circle (the hit zone for a human)

The Test:
Pattern on target at distance.
Target IDPA Option type
Distances tested; 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 yards.
Five shots per ammo type, gun and distance
Guns were shot from a bench with a sand bag
Tested over three sessions

Ammo tested all OO buck:

Rem. standard
Rem. low recoil
Hornady Tap
Winchester standard
Winchester Ranger Low recoil
Winchester Black box prem.
Wolf
S&B
Fed. Prem. about two years old
Fed Prem. Flight control full power
Breneke (sic.?)
Fiochi (sic.) plated

Five round groups were fired at each distance.

The winner was the Fed. flight control, tap was second. Note that the Vanged Moss. gun would keep all nine pellets on a target at 40 yards. Way too far for buckshot, but interesting to see it happen.

Please remember that ever shot gun barrel is unique(Louis Awerbuck's knowledge not mine). The only thing that I have seen throw a tighter pattern is the Choke round and Poly shock round (LE only). And no I do not want to ever test this much 12 gauge again from a bench.

Hope this helps
Matthew

Thanks Matthew and Skintop! Makes it pretty clear. Just what I needed.

I'll bet Hans Vang won't be pleased about this. He's such a great guy, but Shot Shell Technology has finallt caught up. Of course there is still the COmp. business which DOES reduce felt recoil by at leats 10-15% as noticed on my Vang Comp 870.

Tack

[Henchman]

The Fedearl LE 132 does produce some great patterns. On the other hand having the Vang Comp System has great benifits even with this ammunition, such as reduced recoil as noted along with reduced muzzel flash and rise. From my way of thinking the Vang Comp System is still a worth while modification / insurance because it does not keep you in the "box" of only being able to use one load for good patterns, and I believe that it helps the LE 132 stay in a tight pattern longer.

[Spooky130]

Tack,

Try this link - I know it is an auction site but I got some from this guy. No issues what so ever. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from him again. I think I had the ammo in about 4 days. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=81558581

If you paid Ammoman's price this would be a $500 case of ammo...

Spooky

[toddackerman]

Thanks Spooky.

That's a great price. Now I just need to decide if I need 250 rounds or not. It would be used to first Pattern and sight in, keep the gun, side saddle, and vest loaded with it (15 riunds total) , and the rest would go into the SHTF storage. I would train with #8 and the cheapest slugs I can find.

I wonder if he sells the 10 pack cartons of 5 per sleeve, which is how they come from the factory before they go into the "Brown Box Case".?

I really appreciate the effort though! ThankS!!!

Tack

[John Fettes]

Speer uses the same wad in their 8 pellet load. I have fired a few at the range from my old CYL bore 1976 vintage 870P. I was impressed. I bought a sleeve of 10 packs of five rounds. I have also bought some Gold Dots (9, 38, & 45) from them. If you go to their site,

http://www.floridabullet.net/

click on Speer Lawman Ammunition under Products, and look at the bottom of the page for an "in flight look" of the eight pellet flite control wad.

FWIW, I'm not a stock holder in this outfit; I just send them some money every now & then.

John

[Patrick Aherne]

The Flite Control wads and 8 pellet loads have made the Vang Comp system obsolete for most users. You just don't need it with these loads.

[shooter521]

Just tried some of this stuff based on recommendations here and elsewhere. I was shooting the LE133 00, which is the 8-pellet low-recoil load with the FC wad. Firing an 8-round mag through my Saiga-12 (19" barrel, IC choke), I was able to keep every pellet (that's 64 of 'em) on an 8-1/2"x11" sheet of paper at 25 yards. Outstanding performance in my book! The next-best load (Winchester Ranger 9-pellet 00) didn't even come close...

I bought my ammo from http://www.ammunitiontogo.com; price seemed good and they shipped quickly.