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Thread: Can this type of jam be cleared in the field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emt370 View Post
    Well once you remove the mag and clear the double feed (although the stuck round would still be in the chamber), the BCG should still close fully, allowing you to remove the upper receiver if needed. But the only way to remove the round would still be to shove the round out with a rod from the muzzle end.
    This isn't a double feed, it is a failure to extract. A double feed is two live rounds.

    Just because you have an empty casing and a live round does not make it a double feed. The casing wasn't fed in that cycle.

    People come saying they have double feeds when they have FTE's and we waste a page getting him to check his magazines.
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    You are correct. This is a failure to extract which then resulted in a failure to feed. I am still trying to figure out why he posted this in such a manner? Did it happen or is it a "what if" scenario?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    This isn't a double feed, it is a failure to extract. A double feed is two live rounds.

    Just because you have an empty casing and a live round does not make it a double feed. The casing wasn't fed in that cycle.

    People come saying they have double feeds when they have FTE's and we waste a page getting him to check his magazines.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Did it happen or is it a "what if" scenario?
    I think he is doing a "what if" scenario.

    I 'think' that with his scenario the 2nd round is stuck in the tail end of the first round that had it's rim torn off. If this is the set up, first thing immediate action followed by deploying his secondary weapon. Next is to lock the BCG and 'wiggle' the second round out with something like a screw driver. Once the second round is out, breakdown the rifle and clear the FTE.

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    if the rim is torn completely off, and we've got a true "broken shell," a broken shell extractor is gonna be the answer. a rod probably isn't going to get it.

    as far as not being able to break open the weapon- nothing in this scenario requires breaking open the weapon. if only part of the rim is torn out, then the next round probably isn't gong to get "stuck"- it'll be easy enough to clear and get out of the equation.. then you can ram the case out with a cleaning rod, as mentioned, or, if you dont have a cleaning rod, you CAN pop the upper and pry the case out with a screw driver from the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    It's called a malfunction, jam goes onto toast or a sandwich with peanut butter.

    I would lock the bolt to the rear, remove the magazine and then put my USGI cleaning rod in the barrel and tap it out.
    Yup, cleaning rod is the only way I know of to get that sucker out. I learned it the hard way after driving an hour out into the desert once upon a time ago and having a rifle jam on the first mag with no rod.

    Somebody needs to invent a tool that fits in a grip or stock compartment that can clear it out...

    ETA: This is for you Gunz.
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    if the rim is torn completely off, and we've got a true "broken shell," a broken shell extractor is gonna be the answer. a rod probably isn't going to get it.
    Actually, a broken shell would be a torn head. A torn rim would not allow the use of a BS Extractor and would allow the use of a cleaning rod.
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    delete.
    Last edited by SteadyUp; 03-13-11 at 00:49.
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    BTW,

    Always 'float' the rod in the first few tries where you pinch it between your thumb and forefinger and just sling it into the barrel. Your hands should slide over the muzzle like you are dropping a round into a mortar tube. Let the fast moving rod contact the inside of the case and let the inertia pop it out. Try this before you resort to pounding it like a tent peg.

    With a bit of practice, you can pop the case most of the time. Your hand should not even be touching the rod when it impacts the case.

    This protects the rifling against flexing the rod while pounding it. Protects the rod too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    Actually, a broken shell would be a torn head. A torn rim would not allow the use of a BS Extractor and would allow the use of a cleaning rod.
    s'what i meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    and you can call a "magazine" a "clip," or a "cartridge" a "bullet," but you're still gonna hear about it.
    It was a joke. There was some hooplah here recently over referring to a gun design as a "platform."
    "I have your number. Consider yourself warned."

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