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Thread: BCM 14.5's are back in soooooooo?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toyoland66 View Post
    I see posts from people regretting their 14.5's with perm attached muzzle devices because it makes any future mods to gas blocks or handrails a serious pain.

    I don't recall seeing the same posts from people with 16's that wish they had gotten a 14.5.

    But, its your decision.
    So if a muzzle break is perm. attached, I can't change the handguard? Or does this only apply to the front sight/gas block combo configuration?

    I've been looking to purchase a 14.5 with Battlecomp 1.5 and a VTAC TRX Handguard. I should be able to change the handguard in the future if I wanted, right? If not, I have to re-think purchase rational all over again.

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    The flash hider is obviously fixed, which stops the removal of the FSP/gas block. This then stops the removal of the barrel nut. You can then only use a rail that utilizes whatever barrel nut (GI or aftermarket) is on the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toyoland66 View Post
    I see posts from people regretting their 14.5's with perm attached muzzle devices because it makes any future mods to gas blocks or handrails a serious pain.


    The few cases where people can't plan for what they are going to do with their weapon are few and far between. There is absolutely NOT a rash of pinned 14.5 owners running around wailing and gnashing their teeth. Its just not happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polkhigh View Post
    So if a muzzle break is perm. attached, I can't change the handguard? Or does this only apply to the front sight/gas block combo configuration?

    I've been looking to purchase a 14.5 with Battlecomp 1.5 and a VTAC TRX Handguard. I should be able to change the handguard in the future if I wanted, right? If not, I have to re-think purchase rational all over again.

    You absolutely can change your handguard, you are just more limited in what you can change it to.

    The simple answer is that if you don't know what you want, don't buy it now. Wait until you figure out what you are doing, then buy it once, saving yourself time, money, and aggravation.

    In a worst case scenario you would tell the smith to swap out the muzzle device when he was changing your rail at the same time.
    Last edited by Stickman; 03-14-11 at 22:35.
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    I see no advantage to a 14.5" pinned over a 16" and plenty of disadvantage. Couple with being a first/only AR and I think it makes even less sense.

    The simple answer is that if you don't know what you want, don't buy it now. Wait until you figure out what you are doing, then buy it once, saving yourself time, money, and aggravation.
    There is a good point in there, wrapped in advice I don't agree with. That is that if you don't know what you want, I'd buy the platform with the most flexibility now, and get out and actually shoot the thing so that you can discover what you do want based on actual use. Focus on a quality barrel and BCG, and a basic configuration for the gun, and spend that handguard/flash hider/fancypants money on mags, ammo, and training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I see no advantage to a 14.5" pinned over a 16" and plenty of disadvantage. Couple with being a first/only AR and I think it makes even less sense.


    There is a good point in there, wrapped in advice I don't agree with. That is that if you don't know what you want, I'd buy the platform with the most flexibility now, and get out and actually shoot the thing so that you can discover what you do want based on actual use. Focus on a quality barrel and BCG, and a basic configuration for the gun, and spend that handguard/flash hider/fancypants money on mags, ammo, and training.
    Quite a bit of good advice in this post. I was experienced with duty issued AR's prior to taking on building up one of my own, and I still spent plenty of money on things trying them out. A 16" with standard handguards a good red dot optic and BUIS would be the best place to start. It will be a more than capable carbine which you can shoot the crap out of and then get something a little more fancy.
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    My preferred gun is a 14.5 with a pinned FH.
    Of course I put a LOT of thought into it before hand and configured it exactly the way I wanted it. I would not suggest doing it as an first gun. The reason we see people with 20 things hanging off their rails is that most people don't shoot their weapons enough to figure out what works and what doesn't.

    As you get more trigger time you can start to figure out what fits you best. Then you can make those types of decisions with confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Stay way from uppers that have to have something permed into place.
    Right. People fail to realize that they cannot change/add a rail (if it is a one piece FF), gas block/FSB, and FS/MB.

    What I love is when they pin a 14.5 and then 6 months later realize that they want a suppressor and are screwed (as the FS they chose won't work with the suppressor they want).

    I think the real errors come from noobs buying pinned 14.5. They don't know what they don't know (meaning they haven't figured out how they like their gun configured yet). They see all the HSLD builds on here by members that have extensive background in AR's and follow their lead. What they fail to realize is that person KNOWS what they don't know and has built a gun to fit THEIR NEEDS.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    What they fail to realize is that person KNOWS what they don't know and has built a gun to fit THEIR NEEDS.



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    This. The ONLY reason I bought a 14.5" LW barrel is because it is going to be a dedicated suppressor host and trunk gun. Putting a 1.1 lb suppressor on the end of a 34" rifle adds about an additional 3 pounds of totational torque if the datum is the back of the butt stock. A 16" is 3.3 pounds all other things being equal. After a long day of shooting, ounces equal pounds and having a slightly shorter barrel makes sense, but all other applications, not really.

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    Kind of along the same lines, I was reading yesterday about how soft the 14.5" middies shoot and how great they are and thought to myself "great, now that I just finished up my second 16" middy last week I read this sh*t".......

    So I cruised over the the BCM site to see that they're out of stock on 14.5" mid length uppers like I would want (thank goodness) and then started thinking that maybe I should send one of mine off to ADCO and have them chop it down and pin a BattleComp 1.5 on the end.......

    But I think I'll just stick with my long, awkward, hard shooting 16" barrels for now......must quit reading equipment reviews on this site !
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