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Thread: BCM 14.5's are back in soooooooo?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmin View Post
    I own a 14.5 pinned with the BC1.5; and although I do not feel disadvantaged as far as future customization goes, I do wish I would have considered the fouling that takes place on the under side of the FH that will not be able to be removed.

    If it was my only gun, I would have def. gone with a 16" barrel.
    So are you saying that you cannot clean the fouling off the BC?

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    I went with a BCM 14.5 Middy w/ permed A2 for my first and only AR. That said, I did a lot of research and new exactly what I wanted and what I wanted it for. I couldn't be happy with my choice. I got exactly what I wanted the first time out, even though it limited my ability to make some changes down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Ummm, duh?

    Very little short of death or vaporization is un-doable. The issue is the ease, and expense, involved in un-doing them. Few people are going to have the skills, tools, and nerve to remove a permanently-affixed muzzle device at home. Removing one that is simply threaded on, even when secured with loctite or other thread-locker is a relatively easy process provided the user clamps the barrel and not the upper. There was a thread on another forum not too long ago about damage to an upper that was CLEARLY caused by a person who had no idea about the AR system only to be sent to another person who in turn got blamed for the damage.

    Changing parts at home is easy, a good skill to acquire, and is cheaper and less time consuming. In the amount of time, and for much less cash outlaid, that it would take for your upper to ARRIVE at the 'smith to remove the device you could have the correct tool(s) in hand and be done with the work. And you'd know how to do the work. And how to un-do it when you decide you don't like it.

    I have a T&E 1.45" BCM upper with a PWS muzzle device. I received it from BCM just as the Battlecomp was coming online and suggested to Paul that he look into using them if for no other reason he'd be hearing the wagonwheels requesting them as they were getting a lot of chatter. If this was my personal gun I might even look into changing it out, but at $100 sacrificed for the PWS, another $150 for the BC (only to subsequently also be trashed later when the next great thing hits the internet) plus the cost of the work to un-pin and re-pin, plus the downtime of sending off the upper/barrel... I'd just stick with what I've got. 16" upper? Remove PWS in 5 minutes, install BC in 5 minutes, net cost $0. Sell PWS on internet to offset BC price, net cost maybe $100 tops?

    and then there's the issue of sacrificing a part you're happy with just to change out another. If you want to go from a Daniel Defense FF rail to try a Larue, or you want to go from MOE handguards to a VTAC, you may have to destroy and replace that $150 Battlecomp just to change the handguard.

    ETA:
    These arguments are really stupid as I frankly don't care what someone does with their own money. But steering newbs towards the same bad choices someone else made goes against what this site should be about. As long as people understand that:
    a) without any practical experience you have no idea what you want or need
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    b) the cost in dollars to change the part(s) can be as much as 3-4x as high
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    c) you may have to sacrifice and replace a part you're happy with just to change out a different part

    then by all means, it's your dollars and your donuts, so pay your money and take your chances. But do it from an informed position and don't believe the one-sentence posts that aren't worth the time it takes to hit "submit".
    I understand your point of course, but your post almost makes me think that a permanent FH is a good recommendation for a new user. How many new folks out there have put more money into experimenting with the hottest new flash hiders/brakes and FF rail options than they spent on training ammo this year? I will wager that it is an unfortunately large percentage.

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    As with most everything else, most people want to buy the latest and greatest more than they want to actually use the item to its full capacity. It's not just guns either. How many people buy Corvettes and then use them to their capability? I venture to guess that there are guys who buy a Corvette and drive them around until they get bored. Then they buy a Dodge Viper. I seriously doubt these people take their cars to 180 mph or greater speeds. Same thing for guns. First the A2 rifle, then the flattop. The flattop carbine comes next, and then the mid-length. The guy has only shot maybe 300 rounds total maybe. That's a collector, not a serious user. But why bash people for doing what they want to do? If it floats their boat, that's fine with me. It's their money after all.

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    Kind of along the same lines, I was reading yesterday about how soft the 14.5" middies shoot and how great they are and thought to myself "great, now that I just finished up my second 16" middy last week I read this sh*t".......

    So I cruised over the the BCM site to see that they're out of stock on 14.5" mid length uppers like I would want (thank goodness) and then started thinking that maybe I should send one of mine off to ADCO and have them chop it down and pin a BattleComp 1.5 on the end.......

    But I think I'll just stick with my long, awkward, hard shooting 16" barrels for now......must quit reading equipment reviews on this site !
    Get ahold of Wes Grant at MSTN and get hooked up with a 16" Noveske with an intermediate (11.5") gas system. Best of both worlds. Same barrel/gas ratio as a 14.5" mid-length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxer View Post
    So are you saying that you cannot clean the fouling off the BC?
    Not just the BC, any FH/break thats perm'd, check out post #33 and on, HERE
    Robb Jensen shows considerable carbon buildup on the underside of the FH; which would cause me to reconsider permanently fixing it if it was my ONLY gun for any foreseeable future. Like Grant pointed out, do a cost analysis on having a 'smith remove it, re-thread, etc.. its a better option to go the NFA route if you can.
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    I find it interesting that so much time and effort is put into debating mid vs carbine and 14.5 Vs 16. In all fairness, i guess those things are what help industries and products evolve.

    I've owned and shot both, I can't tell a lick of difference between either when it comes to practicality. The 14.5 carbine that I ultimately decided to keep shoots targets and kills critters just as easily and efficiently as any mid length or rifle length I own or have owned

    I ultimately chose to keep the 14.5 carbine purely for aesthetic reasons, as I prefer something closer to the "real thing" and I noticed no legitimate differences between the other combinations. Choose what you think looks best and my guess is that it won't perform any differently than what you decided to shove to the side.

    I now own a 14.5 with a 1-4 scope for "offhand" all around work and a an 18" for precision and long range varmint work. Couldn't be happier
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    2008hrs 21MAR11, In stock 14.5 middy lightweight. I ordered one just because they're my favorite configuration. thought some might want the update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    The few cases where people can't plan for what they are going to do with their weapon are few and far between. There is absolutely NOT a rash of pinned 14.5 owners running around wailing and gnashing their teeth. Its just not happening.
    I absolutely detest mine.

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    This thread just saved me some money for now. Thanks.

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