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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Well to be fair, this mistake is easy to make. Pushing the pins through without supporting the rear of the part will do that. Which I don't know if he read an online instruction that did not stress that enough. But due to the side profile of the AR, that section has to have something directly behind it in order to prevent that from happening. I guess it is so common that my local shop warned me about it.


    There are many things you do when building a AR15 that you can't read in a manual or watch in a video to have a sucessfull build.
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    A lower with a broken off tab is worth $0.
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    To be fair I have zero sympathy for this. If you don't know what you are doing, you either seek out competent advice ahead of time or you let someone who is trained do it.

    People think that AR's are like Legos and anyone can slap them together. This thread and other similar abortions should be a nice reminder as to why that isn't true.

    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Well to be fair, this mistake is easy to make. Pushing the pins through without supporting the rear of the part will do that. Which I don't know if he read an online instruction that did not stress that enough. But due to the side profile of the AR, that section has to have something directly behind it in order to prevent that from happening. I guess it is so common that my local shop warned me about it.



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    To be fair you can get some semi-pro instruction locally. . Hell you had one crash course already.

    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Exactly what anyone who decides to build should do. I've never even changed a barrel, and I've been using the AR for 15 years.... but you see guys who've never shot an AR building their own right out of the gate.

    I might get the tools and training this years and start messing with upper halves.



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    This

    This thread serves as a reminder to the lack of reading comprehension, patience, and general decline of men being men with tools!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    There are many things you do when building a AR15 that you can't read in a manual or watch in a video to have a sucessfull build.
    Like what? It seems like 90% of these f-ups are done by people that don't have the right tools and/or aren't following the instructions. I agree that AR's aren't like legos, but if one has some mechanical aptitude, the proper tools and knows how the parts go together including torque specs, staking etc. then I don't see a problem. Now, of course there is no excuse for the abortions we've seen on this thread. I'm not trying to call you out, there is a lot I don't know about ARs but how are quality parts installed correctly by one person different than quality parts installed correctly by another?
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    Such as using a looong nylon or brass punch to install the magazine release pin (I meant "bolt release". Dopey me! Thanks to mtdawg169 for bringing this to my attention)

    Or using a wrench with thin flats to install a muzzle device to keep from scarring up the crush washer

    Or that sometimes the gas tube roll pin might need a little chamfering before it will start in the gas block

    Or that the mag release button doesn't just screw on, it must be screwed in until it functions correctly
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    One of my other addictions is fishing and I rebuild my reels as well as others. Seems like in that arena, many seemingly competent folks will not want to take on reel tear down and repair.

    In this genre you will see a pimple-nose that maybe has hung a picture for his mother using a toy hammer, take on scratch assembly of an AR.
    Then they go to the gun show for a good deal on some reloads and it's game on.
    I'm surprised that I don't here more horror stories about range accidents, etc.
    I'll take it as a tribute to a solid design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkmckinley View Post
    Like what? It seems like 90% of these f-ups are done by people that don't have the right tools and/or aren't following the instructions. I agree that AR's aren't like legos, but if one has some mechanical aptitude, the proper tools and knows how the parts go together including torque specs, staking etc. then I don't see a problem. Now, of course there is no excuse for the abortions we've seen on this thread. I'm not trying to call you out, there is a lot I don't know about ARs but how are quality parts installed correctly by one person different than quality parts installed correctly by another?
    You really need a thorough knowledge of how the whole weapons system works. You need to have at least some common sense. You need *some* mechanical skills

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    When you're just starting off in an endeavor like AR smithery, you have to admit to yourself that you *don't* know everything there is to know about it - and you need to study. This isn't a snaptite moodel airplane you're building here - it's a high performance weapon. You. Just. Don't. Dick. Around. With. These. Things.

    I'd say that to somebody like IG and other heavy hitters here on M4C, assembling an AR from a box of parts and doing it right is as easy as falling off a log, but you have to look at how much experience they have with these things to know why.

    Buying a kit and a lower and watching a few vids just don't cut it.
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