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    I've gone to a few of the gun shows here in Cheyenne WY. There are 3 or so locations and most of the same dealers show up. Its usually all the same kinds of guns as well. The 700s, SKS, MilSurp WWII rifles, shotguns, various pistols etc etc. Most of the gear is the cheaply made poor quality gear. Its your average airsoft gear that look cool when you have a real gun. Most of the ammo is hit or miss and if you do find a deal its only a box or two that no one else has wanted to buy the last 4-5 months.
    I know that going to them that it will be the same. I got a SpecOps Brand sling at one, picked up the an ordered lower from my dealer at one, and have managed to find onsie twosie kind of deals. Overall they aren't worth going for me in the buying sense. But I go regardless to go. I think I delude myself into believing I'll find a steal, full knowing I most likely won't.
    I know what I'm getting into and most people after going their first time should have a good idea as well. I think by now most people that have gone to a gun show realize the gear their looking for won't be there. So in my opinion, ultimately it comes down to whether you want to go for the fun of it or not. I will continue to go for the cheap amusement that has been pointed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post
    I just came away from one in Fredericksburg, today.

    About the best I can say for them is that...

    ...well, suffice to say that when I'm at the airport, people-watching is of interest because there's ladies in pencil skirts, heels and naughty-librarian glasses jetting to and fro for me to ogle; at a goon show, the people-watching is more of the "Holy mother of god, WTF is THAT?!?!" variety.

    So, I'll go to them, but I usually come out like and need to shower.
    So very true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post

    Other than that...well, suffice to say that when I'm at the airport, people-watching is of interest because there's ladies in pencil skirts, heels and naughty-librarian glasses jetting to and fro for me to ogle; at a goon show, the people-watching is more of the "Holy mother of god, WTF is THAT?!?!" variety.

    So, I'll go to them, but I usually come out like and need to shower.
    No doubt. Is it that much to ask some of these people to take a shower before coming to the show? I mean, really. We all know we're going to be packed in the building like sardines. ****ing bathe you assholes!

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    If gun show vendors could afford to stock Wilson and Noveske rifles they would not be doing gun shows. Gun shows serve a great purpose on many fronts. There are plenty of people out there that like to do business in person rather than on the net. We have a very loyal customer base at the shows, and if anyone was smart here, they would get to know a dealer or two, buy a little something every show, and you may just get a high end rifle at a dirt cheap price.

    I do alot for my customers, and they know that I don't stock rifles that run me as a dealer 1,400.00, but my regulars know I will get them one cheap if they ask me. Again, many on here don't understand business when it comes to overhead, and demand. I stocked a few high end rifles (billboard guns) at shows, and ended up keeping them because I could not even get rid of them at my cost. I now build up high end guns from high end parts, saving me and the customer money.

    So get to know one of the guys like someone said on here that has a table or 3 and you might just find out that you have made a good friend in the firearms business that will sell you good gear at a discounted price.

    And what many of my customers say, they hit the shows to get long guns off the books.
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    Honestly

    Really, BW many of us do understand how business works. We can understand your POV even. However, why would I want to purchase low end crap at an inflated price to cover your overhead to give me a "deal" down the road...maybe? It is like paying for a blowjob from a 2, and hoping to get one from an 8 down the road. Sorry, but I will save my sheckels for the 8,9, or 10 from a reputable dealer versus "gun show gunny" any day of the week.
    But if this business model works for you and feeds you and yours go for it. It is after all free enterprise and as PT Barnum said..."a sucker everyday"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWidow View Post
    If gun show vendors could afford to stock Wilson and Noveske rifles they would not be doing gun shows. Gun shows serve a great purpose on many fronts. There are plenty of people out there that like to do business in person rather than on the net. We have a very loyal customer base at the shows, and if anyone was smart here, they would get to know a dealer or two, buy a little something every show, and you may just get a high end rifle at a dirt cheap price.

    I do alot for my customers, and they know that I don't stock rifles that run me as a dealer 1,400.00, but my regulars know I will get them one cheap if they ask me. Again, many on here don't understand business when it comes to overhead, and demand. I stocked a few high end rifles (billboard guns) at shows, and ended up keeping them because I could not even get rid of them at my cost. I now build up high end guns from high end parts, saving me and the customer money.

    So get to know one of the guys like someone said on here that has a table or 3 and you might just find out that you have made a good friend in the firearms business that will sell you good gear at a discounted price.

    And what many of my customers say, they hit the shows to get long guns off the books.
    I don't think anyone here is arguing that all dealers should stock high price rifles, but rather are discussing the merit (or lack of) of going to a gun show to find a deal on quality equipment. From a business standpoint, I don't know what your business model is so I can't comment on how stocking Noveske would affect you (sales and overhead, buy in?) specifically. It obviously has worked out for Rainier, and at the same time it would be a disaster if my local shop carried them because I live in an area where bushmaster is considered top tier; everyone has their niche, and if it's more profitable for you specifically to pursue one market segment as opposed to another, that doesn't mean that the other segments aren't equally economically feasible for a different vendor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWidow View Post
    If gun show vendors could afford to stock Wilson and Noveske rifles they would not be doing gun shows. Gun shows serve a great purpose on many fronts. There are plenty of people out there that like to do business in person rather than on the net. We have a very loyal customer base at the shows, and if anyone was smart here, they would get to know a dealer or two, buy a little something every show, and you may just get a high end rifle at a dirt cheap price.

    I do alot for my customers, and they know that I don't stock rifles that run me as a dealer 1,400.00, but my regulars know I will get them one cheap if they ask me. Again, many on here don't understand business when it comes to overhead, and demand. I stocked a few high end rifles (billboard guns) at shows, and ended up keeping them because I could not even get rid of them at my cost. I now build up high end guns from high end parts, saving me and the customer money.

    So get to know one of the guys like someone said on here that has a table or 3 and you might just find out that you have made a good friend in the firearms business that will sell you good gear at a discounted price.

    And what many of my customers say, they hit the shows to get long guns off the books.
    As an educated consumer, i.e. "smart" I shop around for the best deals on products that I have researched. I purchase nearly everthing I buy online. This includes long guns. I know several FFL holders and they do transfers for me with out a transfer fee. Via the web I don't have to pay my state sales tax which on a $1000 long gun saves me around $100. Free shipping is another perk one can score at times.

    A dealer in Houston who builds their own "high end" ARs try to pass them off as factory DD rifles at seveal shows that are local to me. There is another thread on this very vendor and his practices.

    Unless Elmer Fudd is buying his long guns from an individual and not a licensed FFL holder then the guns are on "the books".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    As an educated consumer, i.e. "smart" I shop around for the best deals on products that I have researched. I purchase nearly everthing I buy online. This includes long guns. I know several FFL holders and they do transfers for me with out a transfer fee. Via the web I don't have to pay my state sales tax which on a $1000 long gun saves me around $100. Free shipping is another perk one can score at times.
    What you meant to say is that you pay your "use tax" at the end of the year like everyone else right?

    WA now charges tax on ALL FFL purchases. Doesn't matter if it's coming from out of state or from the actual store, they're getting their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    What you meant to say is that you pay your "use tax" at the end of the year like everyone else right?

    WA now charges tax on ALL FFL purchases. Doesn't matter if it's coming from out of state or from the actual store, they're getting their money.
    I just paid my "use tax" today as a matter of fact on a Police trade in shipped from out of state to WA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .45fmjoe View Post
    No doubt. Is it that much to ask some of these people to take a shower before coming to the show? I mean, really. We all know we're going to be packed in the building like sardines. ****ing bathe you assholes!
    The worst is when it's a hot humid summer July day. Goddamn.

    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    What you meant to say is that you pay your "use tax" at the end of the year like everyone else right?

    WA now charges tax on ALL FFL purchases. Doesn't matter if it's coming from out of state or from the actual store, they're getting their money.
    To my chagrin, it's the same in the DPRK. Some FFLs still don't charge it, but others do. I know "my FFL" does, probably to cover their ass.

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