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Thread: My Del Ton plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifebreath View Post
    I have lots of money.
    I don't and the least expensive AR I own is a BCM upper with R-1, BattleComp, SSA, CTR, Surefire, etc. About $1500.00 worth. Buying cheap is at best a false economy, regardless of your income level.

    Shoot the hell out of it and learn about the system, then sale it. Decide what you require, and make a purchase that meets those requirements. Educate yourself and do better next time. Buy a rifle more compatible with your wealth.
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    I think he's a troll....
    I did get a good laugh, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirectDrive View Post
    I think he's a troll....
    I did get a good laugh, however.
    Same here, did I mention that I have 3 hot Las Vegas strippers that loads my mags. when I'm at the range........just saying

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    I'm not a troll. However, I've been lurking here for a couple weeks and have observed you guys are a hard bunch, especially for any poor slacker who happens to buy a Del Ton. I'd get ripped apart regardless of my tact, so why not play the provocateur to break the ice? Mea culpa ...

    Here's the straight scoop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I asked a simple question. Let me do so again more succinctly.

    1. Why did you NOT research your purchase ahead of time?

    2. What caused you to buy Delton when there was other similar prices garbage at that show?

    3. Were you influenced by gun rags or friends?
    Those are excellent questions and I'm happy to answer. Maybe you will gain insight into why someone would buy a Del Ton. The truth of the matter is that I was excited to buy an AR after wanting one for many years. 15 years ago, I couldn't afford one. I looked longingly upon the Colts at the local gun shows. Someday ...

    So, I had not been to a gun show for some years and decided to take my two boys. Walked in and BAM, AR's all over the place, with flash suppressors, 30-round mags and all that pre-ban stuff! I had it in the back of my mind to get an AR and there they were, all laid out in their glory before mine eyes. And now, yes, I can afford them.

    I made an assumption - the tragic mistake: they all look the same, they are all AR-15s, ergo, they must all be the same. The gun shop owner made the pitch. The former LEO swat team guy and "tactical rifle" instructor. He was very believable. "MIL SPEC" and other stuff came rolling off his tongue so convincingly. I was impulsive and the gun looked like an AR. And it seemed reasonably priced. No, I had done no research. I felt somewhat intimidated by my lack of knowledge, so I made an assumption, and we all know the old axiom about "assume." I wrote out the check.

    Unfortunately, when I walked out the door was the point at which my research began. When I googled "Del Ton," I experienced the pangs of doubt: "Did I screw up? Damn. Should have done some research first." I found a mix of information, at both ends of the spectrum and all points in between. "Del Ton sucks," "I love my Del Ton." Who was authoritative?

    I went to pick the gun up after the prescribed 48 hours Illinois waiting period. I brought my doubts up with the shop owner and asked about the gas key staking issue, which was about all I knew at that point. He showed me the bolts and they were staked properly. He assured me that the gun was fine and to believe half of what I read on the internet. Sensible enough, since opinions abound in the www ether.

    I shot the gun and it shot well enough for the 100+ rounds I put through it using iron sights. Hell, it was downright fun! I put my Del Ton Doubts aside temporarily and started researching optics. After doing considerable research and looking at my probable uses of the gun, I moved away from the cool "tactical" holographic and red dot sights and settled on some magnification. After more research, I settled on variable low power scopes, and after looking at as many pictures of reticles as possible, I decided on the TR24. At that point, I figured the Del Ton Damage was done, so let's move on and get the optics right. Rectify the rifle when the time comes. Same with the Battlecomp.

    So how does money come to bear? I am fortunate, in that I am able to easily absorb the cost of my mistake. Regardless of my "resources" I am disappointed. Furthermore, I am disturbed at the deceptiveness of the "trade," and I'd be really ticked off if I had a limited budget and had bought was I thought was a good deal only to realize I had gotten ripped off. Perhaps having greater means made it easier for me to jump without giving greater consideration to my purchase. Either way, getting sold a bill of goods sucks.

    In any case, it does bring into focus the need for meaningful information for buyers. Something like a CHART, perhaps? I think many buyers are like me, assuming that because they all look the same and they all feel pretty similar, there really can't be THAT much difference. For many, it's probably not going to be an issue, in that they will happily plink away. At the other extreme are those who's lives truly depend on the reliability of their weapon. Between the two are others like me who want a quality firearm that will work reliably.

    That's my story, which brings me back to my plan. At this point, I figure I'll get to know the gun, start practicing technique, educate myself and enjoy what I have. I can determine what I really desire in my next AR and plan accordingly. No need to simply go out and make a second impulsive buy and compound my error. I intend to enjoy my Del Ton to the highest degree achievable within the framework of the gun's limitations, until those limits become too constraining for my needs.

    I love the TR24.

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    Tough crowd.

    I like good, quality AR15s (and other firearms and things) but I still subscribe to the notion that any AR is better than no AR. So you didn't do your research. You know now. Shoot the crap out of your Del Ton while putting a plan together for a quality build. You can't have just one AR anyways; it's unAmerican.
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    I say don't worry about what others say for now and just shoot the hell out of that Del Ton. You can have your own evaluations independent of others. Then when you want to get another AR, get a BCM, Colt, or Daniel Defense.

    I honestly didn't find what the OP said about money offensive.....I think he was just saying that he can afford another rifle if it turns out that the Del Ton went to crap. Maybe he should have used a different choice of words, but not all of us are always good at conversation all the time. I don't think he was trolling at all.

    It would be an interesting experiment to see how that Del Ton holds up. I suspect that it'll still shoot a few thousand rounds without too much trouble. If you get the gas key properly staked, the castlenut staked, and make sure the chamber dimensions are ok, the rifle might work fine. Even though RRA, Bushy, DPMS are not ideal rifles, they can be tuned and worked on to be adequate weapons....at least according to some.

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    If you bought a Delton and actually get out and shoot it in practice, training, competition, etc. you will be well past many of the snots who bust your balls about owning a Delton simply because their safe queen is of a "better" brand.

    I'll take a SHOOTER with a Delton over a COLLECTOR/POSEUR/INTERNET-PICTURE-POSTER with a "top tier" gun any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifebreath View Post
    In any case, it does bring into focus the need for meaningful information for buyers. Something like a CHART, perhaps?

    There is...err...well was one and may possibly be one again. See these threads

    http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=75504

    But as rob_s said the practicing/training is the more important part.
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    OP: If you're willing to do such a destructive test I'm willing to read your write-up on it.

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    Bump Fire? Lol I watch the kids at the range do that. Shooting dirt and wasting dad's ammo. A friend of mine had a Del-Ton. It had problems. Good luck with yours. The money thing was inappropriate, My clients don mention that they have "lots of money". The WALK-IN clients do, after telling me how much money they have, they dont come back, I see them later, with something that was cheaper in fact. Good luck wit your Del-Ton.
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    I wouldnt listen to BCMjunkie. His brown camo clashes like hell with his surroundings. His surroundings are obviously pinkish and lacey and have big hooties.

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