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    Now that's pretty funny!

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    Not sure what military you served in, but I have never seen an unstaked castle nut in the military as they are done at the factory.

    If you did see some, then it means that something was replaced and the person who did it, did not bother to read the TM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian1/75 View Post
    I actually noticed that the m4s I used in the military didn't have staked castle nuts. Never really saw them come loose.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Not sure what military you served in, but I have never seen an unstaked castle nut in the military as they are done at the factory.

    If you did see some, then it means that something was replaced and the person who did it, did not bother to read the TM.
    I'm glad someone finally addressed that ridiculous post.

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    This is ****ing insane and getting out of control. I have noticed in the last year that the culture of idiots seems to be increasing, and I honestly think that there is a large percentage of AR owners that are insisting on some of these other "options" simply out of spite. I wonder how many of them got kicked off of this site, or had their peepee's stepped on by someone with a little more knowledge and they just can't let shit go?

    It is almost like TOS has become a literal second culture of AR owners, all of whom (or most of whom) are just complete and utter idiots.

    Why are we having a thread that discusses fixing something that isn't broke? Oh, I remember, because people are pissed off they bought crap rifles, and rather then man up and admit they made a mistake, they actually spend hours and hours ranting about how "stupid" real technicians are, and how pointless proven technical specs are because of this, that, and the third...

    I also can't help but notice that most of the people that chime in on these threads are new members. Notice how few senior members even answer you guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Not sure what military you served in, but I have never seen an unstaked castle nut in the military as they are done at the factory.

    If you did see some, then it means that something was replaced and the person who did it, did not bother to read the TM.
    It would not surprise me seeing as many of those m4s probably have close to a couple decades worth of hard use and were typically repaired by our in house armorers ie usually some broken 11b. Surprises me though that when TACOM comes around post-deployment, they don't check for those sorts of things.

    But yeah my post was just damn ridiculous. I must be lying out my ass

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    Brian,

    11B armorer's are not allowed to work on weapons. They are simply caretakers and they receive no formal weapons repair training.

    The only personnel allowed to troubleshoot, repair and gage weapons are 45B's or whatever their new MOS is now.

    If you are seeing those weapons with unstaked castle nuts then you need to do the following;

    Report it to your chain of command and let them know it is not right. Tell them to go to TM 9-1005-319-23&P and read page 235 which states that the locking nut and end plate must be staked in 2 places.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian1/75 View Post
    It would not surprise me seeing as many of those m4s probably have close to a couple decades worth of hard use and were typically repaired by our in house armorers ie usually some broken 11b. Surprises me though that when TACOM comes around post-deployment, they don't check for those sorts of things.

    But yeah my post was just damn ridiculous. I must be lying out my ass



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    Just to be clear here. The point of me asking these questions were for the whys. I can do the old GI OK sarge and do as I am told. But sometimes when we learn why, we can take that reason and apply it to other issues that may arise.

    Don't hate me I was a medic. We always ask why for good reason. Lord knows that is how we medics learn the majority of what we know because AIT was just the start.

    So far for the loctite, I got the picture of what could happen if loctite was used. But, was that because of the loctite or was that because of loctite without properly staking? Meaning did the addition of the loctite in the threads cause a pressure issue on the threads?

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    never-you-mind. not the place, not MY place.
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    Locktite increases the amount of torques needed to break loose the nut from the threads. If that torque is too great, it can especially when combined with the debris from the Locktite, cause damage to the parts when dis-assembly is needed. This could have led to the failure of the thread shown in the picture.

    As long as it's not staked too deeply, staking limits the damage to the endplate, which is considered a consumable item and it's best a new endplate is used for re-installation

    ETA- I make the claim the endplate (assuming I have the nomenclature correct) is a consumable, not as an AR Armorer (which I am not), but as a judgement based on my training and experience as an aviation technician
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